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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 25 Dec 2018, 14:11

DIBO wrote:
25 Dec 2018, 13:24
The media are picking up the SFU story: https://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/be ... a8696bb5d/
If it were only Belgium, it would be more or less OK, but it went global!

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-454642/
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by DIBO » 25 Dec 2018, 14:30

If it were only **FlightGlobal**, it would be more or less OK, but it went **general public**! :-)

The FlightGlobal audience knows how to put this in perspective; the general public however... already confirmed by the first HLN public comment.

Luckily we don't have a SUN or Daily Mirror, otherwise SFU would have been falling out of the sky onto BRU airport, narrowly missing schools and hospitals.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 25 Dec 2018, 18:00

For a forum that considers a go-around abnormal I already thought that it was suspiciously quite around this serious incident.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Ansett » 25 Dec 2018, 19:34

Concerning go-arounds, I'm not part of those who will find that a negative point for the airline, rather the contrary. Had several (AF in NCE, KL in GIG, LX in ZRH etc) as well as aborted take off. I prefer the pilot to stop the take off if there may be a problem, rather than having the problem when already in the air.

As to the engines problems with SN's SFU, we have to wait for the conclusion of the inquiry, if we want to remain serious. First conclusion, if I may, the pilots did a good job. Would pax have noticed anything ?

Apparently, this incident and other problems create cancellations and delays. Well, I came across this article :

https://www.air-journal.fr/2018-12-25-l ... 08956.html
LH parks 40 wide-body aircraft and 90 single aisle aircraft from 24 to 31 January because of lower demand.
A naive question : was it really impossible for LH to send one or two A330s to BRU to help out its daughter company ? Of course, not in the planning, however...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 26 Dec 2018, 12:36

Ansett wrote:
25 Dec 2018, 19:34
As to the engines problems with SN's SFU, we have to wait for the conclusion of the inquiry, if we want to remain serious. First conclusion, if I may, the pilots did a good job. Would pax have noticed anything ?
Why do you conclude the pilots did a good job?
I am not saying they didn’t, but a flame out Is the indication of serious problems, even after a successful relight the only sensible option is land at the nearest suitable airport, unless the cause of the flame out has been clearly identified and doesn’t exist anymore.
If Brussels was the nearest suitable airport the pilots did a good job, if it wasn’t they are in serious trouble.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 26 Dec 2018, 17:22

Remember that in 2001 an Air Transat A330 successfully landed at the Azores after both engines ran out of fuel. Thus it was maybe not a bad decision to continue to Brussels with both engines running normally.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 26 Dec 2018, 17:37

sn26567 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:22
Remember that in 2001 an Air Transat A330 successfully landed at the Azores after both engines ran out of fuel. Thus it was maybe not a bad decision to continue to Brussels with both engines running normally.
Like that should even be a consideration when weighing your options. :roll:

I wonder what the reactions would have been if the tail was blue/yellow

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by jan_olieslagers » 26 Dec 2018, 17:48

I have to concur here: an engine's malfunctioning is a serious indication of serious trouble. Even if the engine seemingly returns to normal operation, nothing guarantees the return is permanent. So landing as soon as reasonably possible is the recommended course of action.

And BTW I am not a professional aviator, only the merest amateur, so I am not aware of the exact ETOPS regulations but I'll bet* you a hard-boiled egg against a grand piano such action is mandatory. There is a reason that four-engined is the basic rule, and ETOPS is the exception, even today.

The Air Transat A330 was exceptionally lucky - not a basis for subsequent decisions.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Desert Rat » 27 Dec 2018, 16:37

sn26567 wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:22
Remember that in 2001 an Air Transat A330 successfully landed at the Azores after both engines ran out of fuel. Thus it was maybe not a bad decision to continue to Brussels with both engines running normally.
They have been very lucky indeed, since the captain opened the crossfeed valve during flight, ....clearly a mistake in this fuel leaking case!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 27 Dec 2018, 18:27

According to FR 24 OO-SFU performed SN601 BRU-BOM yesterday. Is that right?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 27 Dec 2018, 19:02

Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Dec 2018, 18:27
According to FR 24 OO-SFU performed SN601 BRU-BOM yesterday. Is that right?
Seems to be a glitch.

Yesterday 26DEC, OO-SFU was announced on FR24 to perform the SN601 to BOM indeed but she appears to have been powered up and breath some fresh air in front of hangar 41 only for 2 hours, between 1425z and 1639z.

According to Flightstats.com, OO-SFZ was planned for that service, then Golf, then Charlie. And indeed FR24 shows OO-SFC to perform the return flight from BOM.

According to FR24, SFU is planned for the BOM service of 29DEC.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by DIBO » 27 Dec 2018, 19:02

Boeing767copilot wrote:
27 Dec 2018, 18:27
Is that right?
even mid-flight, they had an altitude and ground speed of 0, so I'm pretty sure where OO-SFU is for the moment :D
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by DIBO » 27 Dec 2018, 19:27

jan_olieslagers wrote:
26 Dec 2018, 17:48
so I am not aware of the exact ETOPS regulations
neither am I, but pretty sure that ETOPS had nothing to do with it (only crossing the Med.sea). And OO-SFU, leaving Tunisian airspace, flew nicely along Sardinia and Corsica, so never more than about 100 miles away from a suitable diversion alternate.
But whether this was the best option, is for those in the knowing to decide.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 28 Dec 2018, 14:40

What about their future J & W A330 seat choice ?

I've heard the Thompson Vantage XL had the edge, but nothing really new since then.

Other rumours suggest that Lufthansa is slowing down the decision process in order not to trail SN in terms of hard-product.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Av24.be » 28 Dec 2018, 16:12

OO-SFU has returned from a test flight above The Netherlands.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 28 Dec 2018, 16:24

Darjeeling wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 14:40
Other rumours suggest that Lufthansa is slowing down the decision process in order not to trail SN in terms of hard-product.
Nope. New seats need to be certified, and it seems that the certification process takes more time than expected.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 28 Dec 2018, 22:29

The conclusion of the inquiry: contaminated kerosene

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/onzu ... ~ab6f2d0f/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 29 Dec 2018, 00:03

Boeing767copilot wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 22:29
The conclusion of the inquiry: contaminated kerosene

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/onzu ... ~ab6f2d0f/
In English: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... 30-oo-sfu/

There was also an IT issue for the left engine!
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 29 Dec 2018, 00:49

sn26567 wrote:
29 Dec 2018, 00:03
There was also an IT issue for the left engine!
Contaminated fuel is know as a cause of engine electronic malfunctions.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Darjeeling » 29 Dec 2018, 11:55

sn26567 wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 16:24
Darjeeling wrote:
28 Dec 2018, 14:40
Other rumours suggest that Lufthansa is slowing down the decision process in order not to trail SN in terms of hard-product.
Nope. New seats need to be certified, and it seems that the certification process takes more time than expected.
...well let's rather say that this is what the internal communication dept of SN says of it. ;)

I've rarely seen an airline choosing a seat that isn't yet certified but that still is for sale on the market. :?

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