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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 15 Apr 2018, 19:33

DeltaWiskey wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 19:28
Poiu wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 19:11
crew1990 wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 19:04

When you fly full time , you always reach between 2500 and 3000 at brussels airlines (thank to the per diem), I do not work for Lufthansa and I don't know their salary, but if they earn the double as you say (meaning they earn between 5000 and 6000€ a month) then indeed I would prefer their work condition, but I'm don't think this is the case. I have some ex colleagues from Germania working now for Lufthansa, and it's not all pink their.
A friend of mine is a long haul skipper, his gross salary is just under 20.000€/month.
The difference is probably close to 50% then, far from double.
Well the difference between 3000€ monthly and 4500€ monthly for a cabin crew member is quite big wouldn’t you say? I think I can live with a “no breakfast” stay then :/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by DeltaWiskey » 15 Apr 2018, 20:03

sean1982 wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 19:33
Well the difference between 3000€ monthly and 4500€ monthly for a cabin crew member is quite big wouldn’t you say? I think I can live with a “no breakfast” stay then :/
I was talking long haul captain salary's, not cabin crew members. You also can't compare gross to net salaries, since it depends to much on one's personal situation. 50% more gross doesn't mean 50% more net, I am sure you know that as well. Per diems are per definition without taxes, and they are also not 50% higher between LH and SN.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 15 Apr 2018, 20:24

DeltaWiskey wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 20:03
l. Per diems are per definition without taxes, and they are also not 50% higher between LH and SN.
Some of the per diems is money you need to eat because you are in an expensive place abroad, it is not salary!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by RoMax » 15 Apr 2018, 20:28

Poiu wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 20:24
DeltaWiskey wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 20:03
l. Per diems are per definition without taxes, and they are also not 50% higher between LH and SN.
Some of the per diems is money you need to eat because you are in an expensive place abroad, it is not salary!
If you don't benefit from per diems on most foreign trips (=having money after deducting your expenses on the trip itself), you really have some expensive taste.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 15 Apr 2018, 20:30

RoMax wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 20:28
Poiu wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 20:24
DeltaWiskey wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 20:03
l. Per diems are per definition without taxes, and they are also not 50% higher between LH and SN.
Some of the per diems is money you need to eat because you are in an expensive place abroad, it is not salary!
If you don't benefit from per diems on most foreign trips (=having money after deducting your expenses on the trip itself), you really have some expensive taste.
That’s why I said SOME!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by crew1990 » 15 Apr 2018, 21:04

If I can just add something Poiu, you said that at Lufthansa, they work less day a month. What you say is right but let me just explain the reason.

Flight crew and cabin are limited to a certain number of "block hour". You can fly a maximum of 900h per year, and 100h per month (28days).

In the case of Brussels Airlines we don't really have long flight like Lufthansa have, If a crew member fly to Los Angeles, then Tokyo, then Buenos Aires and Mexico, with those 4 flights he is already reaching the limit.

At Brussels Airlines our longest flight is the Mumbai, and it's not even 10 hours. So of course we have more flights per month. But this is due to our network and operation.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Poiu » 15 Apr 2018, 21:29

crew1990 wrote:
15 Apr 2018, 21:04
If I can just add something Poiu, you said that at Lufthansa, they work less day a month. What you say is right but let me just explain the reason.
1990,lets stay on topic, this is not about comparing LH with SN, it was just to illustrate that people are, rightfully, worried by an integration into EW as, in the long term, it will lead to worse labour conditions.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by C96C » 17 Apr 2018, 16:12

OO-SNM (Airbus A320, msn 2003, ex OE-IFV/D-ABNE) is on the Belgian register since today (17/04). http://www.mobilit.fgov.be:7081/bcaa/ai ... search.jsf

It is an ex (EW opby) AB aircraft leased from Arctic Aviation.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by brabel » 17 Apr 2018, 17:55

VRT interviewed the new CEO of SN
Main points:
- not planning to take away planes from BRU, but adding more instead
- No decision about name change this year
- Will stay a Belgian brand (she adds: employees are belgian, so it’s belgian anyway... hope that’s not the only belgian touch...)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boavida » 17 Apr 2018, 19:54

Literally she said: "with the pan-European aspirations, is Brussels Airlines the right brand?"

To me it is very clear: they will ditch the Brussels Airlines brand for Eurowings. They just don't have the balls to say it now. Really sad.

Full interview: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/04/17 ... t-voor-he/

Btw, just have a look at the Lufthansa Group website, they will make it very clear:

They have a section "Network Airlines" with LH, LX and OS.

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And they have a section "Point-to-point Airlines" with EW and SN, totally ignoring the fact that SN today is a network airline...

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https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/company.html

They will not treat SN like they treat LX or OS. They're here for the kill. :(

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 17 Apr 2018, 20:03

Flemish tv Terzake, VRT, any moment now: interview with Christina Foerster.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by cathay belgium » 17 Apr 2018, 20:07

Hi,

Everybody knows and expect thé ditching by now,
Let's face thé facts : SN is just an idea now, Luftie is in charge they said thé money and thé belgians let it go, sold it, nobody cared nor thé government nor thé shareholders , so stop wheeping about it :)
We got fleet expansions , A320-330-340 ,... Expect more because of EW expansions and the lower contracts,...
No more icons and getting rid of thé SSJ are thé next moves probably, some AB Dash 8 or An Embraer for BMA , of a move to ARN can be expected no ?

We Will see

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Ansett » 18 Apr 2018, 05:38

You are right, Cathay Belgium. Neither the government nor the shareholders cared.
I regret that my prediction of a few months ago is becoming reality : we are in for a Sabena/Swissair scenario. SR killed Sabena ; LH is going to "kill" Brussels Airlines. Only this time, the airlines involved will not go bankrupt.

Since SN will be a point-to-point airline only (under the EW brand), there might be more aircraft and destinations from BRU, but to leisure destinations mainly ? With LH expecting to make passengers to other destinations to fly via FRA/MUC/ZRH ?

I'm pessimistic about non African long-haul flights whatever LH says.

For Africa flights, I would not be surprised if LH renamed that part of SN : Lufthansa Brussels Airlines until people in Africa get used to the name Lufthansa and when a real long-haul flight renewal occurs (not in the short term), and a new livery is chosen (the ugly new LH livery ?), the airline might just be called Lufthansa Belgium.

The "Belgian touch" would be kept.

Or would LH go as far as rebranding the part of SN flying to Africa into : Sabena by Lufthansa ? (they own the brand "Sabena" now, if I' not mistaken). I don't think so. The final name will be Lufthansa Belgium, my cristal ball is telling me.

What is sure, is that among the very few who know, nobody is telling what has already been decided. Just normal, of course.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 18 Apr 2018, 05:42

Can't really blame LH for all this... its the people who agreed to this who are 100% to blame... if they absolutely wanted to sell keeping Brussels Airlines should have been part of the deal but they were either naive or stupid or both... I would think KLM isn't too unhappy with all this...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 18 Apr 2018, 12:22

As said before, belgianwings could be the best compromise, by linking the belgian identity together with the -wings platform/concept!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by b720 » 18 Apr 2018, 12:35

Customers will get used to any name. SABENA was replaced by SN brussels airlines .. then Brussels airlines..
They can get used to EUROWINGS or any other name..
As long as it is a continuation of the airline they know.. same website albeit new look and name.. same ticketing office in africa same station manager same local employees in outer stations.. I do not think that a name change will affect business.. I would personally prefer the whole network to go by one name.. either Brussels Airlines or EUROWINGS .. it will be very confusing flying africa - Brussels on brussels airlines then connecting into eurowings on some routes to Europe and Brussels airlines on other routes.. EUROWINGs to JFK etc..

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 18 Apr 2018, 16:04

Trends-LeVif:

Brussels Airlines: changement de nom retardé

18/04/18 à 15:13 - Mise à jour à 15:20
Premier contact avec la nouvelle CEO de Brussels Airlines, Christina Foerster. Elle confirme un possible changement du nom de la compagnie, mais pas immédiatement, pour des raisons "émotionnelles".

En fonction depuis un mois et demi, Christina Foerster a succédé à Bernard Gustin à la tête de la compagnie Brussels Airlines. Un changement délicat car le patron belge a été poussé vers la sortie par le groupe Lufthansa, qui possède 100% de la compagnie belge. L'actionnaire a nommé Christina Foerster, directrice commerciale de Brussels Airlines, au poste de CEO. Auparavant elle a travaillé pour le groupe allemand depuis 2002.


That is clear language ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 18 Apr 2018, 16:31

Boeing767copilot wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 16:04
Trends-LeVif:

Brussels Airlines: changement de nom retardé

18/04/18 à 15:13 - Mise à jour à 15:20
Premier contact avec la nouvelle CEO de Brussels Airlines, Christina Foerster. Elle confirme un possible changement du nom de la compagnie, mais pas immédiatement, pour des raisons "émotionnelles".

En fonction depuis un mois et demi, Christina Foerster a succédé à Bernard Gustin à la tête de la compagnie Brussels Airlines. Un changement délicat car le patron belge a été poussé vers la sortie par le groupe Lufthansa, qui possède 100% de la compagnie belge. L'actionnaire a nommé Christina Foerster, directrice commerciale de Brussels Airlines, au poste de CEO. Auparavant elle a travaillé pour le groupe allemand depuis 2002.


That is clear language ;)
et RTBF:
https://www.rtbf.be/info/economie/detai ... id=9895857

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 18 Apr 2018, 17:47

Boeing767copilot wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 16:31
Boeing767copilot wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 16:04
Trends-LeVif:

Brussels Airlines: changement de nom retardé

18/04/18 à 15:13 - Mise à jour à 15:20
Premier contact avec la nouvelle CEO de Brussels Airlines, Christina Foerster. Elle confirme un possible changement du nom de la compagnie, mais pas immédiatement, pour des raisons "émotionnelles".

En fonction depuis un mois et demi, Christina Foerster a succédé à Bernard Gustin à la tête de la compagnie Brussels Airlines. Un changement délicat car le patron belge a été poussé vers la sortie par le groupe Lufthansa, qui possède 100% de la compagnie belge. L'actionnaire a nommé Christina Foerster, directrice commerciale de Brussels Airlines, au poste de CEO. Auparavant elle a travaillé pour le groupe allemand depuis 2002.


That is clear language ;)
et RTBF:
https://www.rtbf.be/info/economie/detai ... id=9895857
And Aviation24.be: http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... the-press/

With a lot of additional information!

Don't say "point-to-point airlines" anymore, but say "Eurowings Group", because even Eurowings has realised that they need connections to feed their long-haul flights!
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Ansett » 18 Apr 2018, 19:10

I am not claiming that I (or we, aviation 24.be members) would be better airline managers, but didn't we all know that SN cannot become a point-to-point airline and that the same applies to EW. Why do LH managers realize this only now ? (Even FR Is no longer exclusively PTP).

Add to that the LH new livery disaster...

Are «we» in good hands ?

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