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Stij wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 11:49
Stij wrote:
10 Mar 2020, 09:49
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10 Mar 2020, 09:35
Corona is an excellent opportunity for the Italian government (and/or Alitalia's administrators) to do what has to be done. Close it down, blame it on the virus.
My 2 cents: That should be done, but they'll do exactly the opposite. They'll use the virus as an excuse to pump in even more money...

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lumumba wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 13:04
I'm not agree an airline is a strategic industry sure for a country like Italy doesn't have to be profitable in my opinion.
If Alitalia went bust a few years ago as it should have, Air Italy would have been Italy's national carrier by now...

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Stij wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 13:38
lumumba wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 13:04
I'm not agree an airline is a strategic industry sure for a country like Italy doesn't have to be profitable in my opinion.
If Alitalia went bust a few years ago as it should have, Air Italy would have been Italy's national carrier by now...

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I don't think so to build again what Alitalia is would be quite impossible today .
It has to be a national project that involves a lot of cash a state can only assume.

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lumumba wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 14:22
I don't think so to build again what Alitalia is would be quite impossible today .
It has to be a national project that involves a lot of cash a state can only assume.

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Let's agree to disagree...

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Stij wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 15:23
lumumba wrote:
17 Mar 2020, 14:22
I don't think so to build again what Alitalia is would be quite impossible today .
It has to be a national project that involves a lot of cash a state can only assume.

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Patrice
Let's agree to disagree...
Fair enough

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The Italian government plans to take control of loss-making carrier Alitalia in a month or so, creating a new company that will have an initial fleet of 25-30 aircraft, union sources said on Monday.

Before the impact of the coronavirus outbreak, the carrier, which is run by a state-appointed administrator, was operating a fleet of 113 aircraft.

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The Italian government plans to take control of loss-making carrier Alitalia in a month or so, creating a new company that will have an initial fleet of 25-30 aircraft, union sources said on Monday.

Before the impact of the coronavirus outbreak, the carrier, which is run by a state-appointed administrator, was operating a fleet of 113 aircraft.

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Alitalia may now get €700 million in state aid, as part of its nationalisation, which includes maintaining employment levels and absorbing the employees of other liquidated companies — like Air Italy. It seems that the coronavirus came at the right time for Alitalia!
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Hi,

Maybe they can ask KLM again for some co-operation ?
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Does anyone know why Alitalia keeps flying FCO-BRU-FCO on a more than daily basis?
Are those flights empty?, is there special health check control upon arrival in BRU?
There must be a reason why they keep on flying to BRU?

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What is the situation of AZ right now?

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Many airlines have kept BRU flights also due to the EU commission, parliament etc. Same for Aegean. They stopped all international flights but BRU.

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Alitalia will receive EU approval or not on its nationalisation plans depending on “the way it’s done” and “if it’s done at market prices,” says EU antitrust chief Margrethe Vestager.
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Italy’s government plans to go ahead on the creation of a “new” Alitalia once the pandemic is over. The slimmed-down state carrier is expected to launch in May 2020.
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How could could look the scaled down Alitalia?
Focus on FCO only?
Fleet consisting on 30, 40, 50 planes?
Reduced network, destinations axed?

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
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How could could look the scaled down Alitalia?
Focus on FCO only?
Fleet consisting on 30, 40, 50 planes?
Reduced network, destinations axed?
First news were 30 aircraft out of 134, with 4000 employees out of 11500.
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It seems that AZ and LH are the only ones flying from BRU to FRA and FCO.
Looks like AZ is using an A330 this tuesday? Quite surprising...

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Also I am surprised that no reaction from the unions @ AZ because downsizing from 130 to 30 planes / 11500 to 4000 employees is a huge blow!!!

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
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It seems that AZ and LH are the only ones flying from BRU to FRA and FCO.
Looks like AZ is using an A330 this tuesday? Quite surprising...
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