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In the mean time, only 20% of passengers think its a safe plane and I'm not in it.
So those optimistic airlines will need to push it down the throat of their client... great for their image.
If the american administration wasnt defending Boeing like their crown jewel, the story would already be over a long time ago. Take your loss and move forward.
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Acid-drop wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 10:54
If the American administration wasn't defending Boeing like their crown jewel, the story would already be over a long time ago.
It seems on the contrary that the FAA will keep the 737MAX grounded until it has thoroughly tested the aircraft itself and has all the guarantees that the plane is safe.
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Instead of raising import taxes , the current president of the USA should get his act together and try to fix the 737-MAX problem with Boeing.
Any normal airline will go to Airbus instead to order some planes.
Or would even look at Russia or China...

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Im not part of those 20%.
Who on this forum is ?

It clearly takes more than a few tricks to fix a badly designed plane. My opinion is that they should stop trying. Taking their loss.
Lets see what airlines do... if they wanna push it down the throat of their client of not...
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Have you flown in the 737-200 or classic?
With all respect and sympathy for your obvious annoyance, but what difference would it make whether one has or hasn't ever been seated somewhere back in the tube?

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jan_olieslagers wrote:
16 Dec 2019, 13:02
Have you flown in the 737-200 or classic?
With all respect and sympathy for your obvious annoyance, but what difference would it make whether one has or hasn't ever been seated somewhere back in the tube?
That they also at a certajn point were grounded due to a series of crashes related to rudder issues, yet nobody now would hesitate to board one of these types.

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And what does that say about actually having sat in one?

Also, I for one WOULD hesitate to enter one - but then, I must admit I am not in a hurry to enter any airliner as a passenger. There are better ways to enjoy aviation, for me at least.

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Acid-drop wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 10:54
In the mean time, only 20% of passengers think its a safe plane and I'm not in it.
So those optimistic airlines will need to push it down the throat of their client... great for their image.
And the other 80% don’t have a clue which aircraft they are flying in.
A conversation which made me laugh last week whilst boarding an A350.
Pax: Is this a max miss?
Purser: no sir it’s an A350.
Pax: yes, I know they already told me at check in, but is it a Max or not?
Purser: No sir it’s not a Max.
Pax: pfff they are putting us in an old aircraft again...

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Boeing Board could decide to halve or even to stop the production of the 737 MAX as FAA keeps delaying its green light for re-authorising flights. There are about 500 recently built planes that could not be delivered to their customers and 300 more grounded by their customers.

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According to the Wall Street Journal, Boeing will suspend production of 737 as from January.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-to- ... 1576532032

Either they are really unable to store another 40 airframes a month, after having already done so for +400 examples, or this is a way to put pressure on FAA to (re)certify asap ..??

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Homo Aeroportus wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 00:12
According to the Wall Street Journal, Boeing will suspend production of 737 as from January.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-to- ... 1576532032

Either they are really unable to store another 40 airframes a month, after having already done so for +400 examples, or this is a way to put pressure on FAA to (re)certify asap ..??

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The largest MAX user Southwest Airlines pulls Boeing 737 MAX jets from schedule through April 13 (2020 that is).

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737MAX wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 11:04
jan_olieslagers wrote:
16 Dec 2019, 14:01
And what does that say about actually having sat in one?

Also, I for one WOULD hesitate to enter one - but then, I must admit I am not in a hurry to enter any airliner as a passenger. There are better ways to enjoy aviation, for me at least.
Acid-drop doesn’t want to sit in a MAX. But why would he feel safe in a classic, then? What’s the difference? (And yes, I mentioned the classic for the reason Sean1982 correctly gave).

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Very simple. When the aerodynamics is so modified... to a need of a electronic system to compensate.... it's not the same plane. Nor Acid-drop, nor me is such a bad designed aircraft

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Airbus330lover wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 17:20

Very simple. When the aerodynamics is so modified... to a need of a electronic system to compensate.... it's not the same plane. Nor Acid-drop, nor me is such a bad designed aircraft
ALL modern civilian and military jets have electronic systems to compensate the complex aerodynamics...
You and Acid better start travelling by train, car, bicycle,...

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I do.... but, in aerodynamic, when ou put the gravity center too far forward....this frame becomes an iron.
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737MAX wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 18:27
Poiu wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 17:54
Airbus330lover wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 17:20

Very simple. When the aerodynamics is so modified... to a need of a electronic system to compensate.... it's not the same plane. Nor Acid-drop, nor me is such a bad designed aircraft
ALL modern civilian and military jets have electronic systems to compensate the complex aerodynamics...
You and Acid better start travelling by train, car, bicycle,...
Quite shocking that an Airbus330lover doesn't know this :mrgreen:
So where is the difference with the 737 MAX?
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Poiu wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 17:54
ALL modern civilian and military jets have electronic systems to compensate the complex aerodynamics...
You and Acid better start travelling by train, car, bicycle,...
That's not the issue. The issue is when compensation devices fail and the failure effect of such failure on a commercial airliner.

I'm wondering how many actually have done the rollercoaster procedure, let alone knew about the existance and the why it exists in the first place. It would be nice to see statistics. Who has done rollercoaster during his/her initial type rating, who has done it during a recurrent prior to the crash, who has done it - but only after the crash?

It's pretty evident by now that the solution provided by Boeing (manual trim... which might not work... so use the rollercoaster... if you know what that is...) is not accepted by any authority. With reason.

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737MAX wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 11:06
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 00:12
or this is a way to put pressure on FAA to (re)certify asap ..??

H.A.
I don’t think so. The FAA cannot be that wrong twice.
Fully agree with you concerning the FAA; they will probably be much tougher than they have been.
But Muilenburg has been very pushy about a return to service by "end of September", "by year-end", so much so that he got a slap on the wrist by the FAA a few days ago.
So I don't rule out that by telling he is closing the line (temporarily) as from January, his intention is to pass the baby on the FAA with all consequences. Don't think the latter will flink though.

But what will the workers at Boeing, Spirit Aerosystems and so many lower tier suppliers think and do ?
Even in the patriotic US, every man and his dog knows that fixing the 73M won't be easy. The workers also know now that the shutdown will take probably 2+ months. No work, no pay. So those who find another job will take it and leave.
Now, call them back when the production starts again. Boeing et al. may then have difficulty in recruiting and training qualified personnel.
Tough times ahead.

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Around 100 airplane fuselages bound for Boeing’s 737 Max production facility sit in storage at their top supplier, Spirit AeroSystems Holdings Inc, in Wichita, Kansas, United States.

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