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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sounilr21 » 03 Aug 2019, 13:13

DeltaWiskey wrote:
02 Aug 2019, 22:34
@crew1990:
Outgoing
SFM-N-O-V have already left the fleet.

SFY will leave this month. SFW will leave in November. SNG in December. SFU early 2020.
SFZ in 2021 and SFT in 2022.

Incoming
SFP is MSN 645 and is the fourth (and final*) for DUS ops. SFP should start operating in September (replacing the A340).
SFH will be MSN 679 (ex-CX) and arrives at the end of this year, SFH is the final airframe of the current re-fleet program.
The replacement a/c for SFZ and SFT are not known yet.

The google list is not completely correct: MSN 648 is also listed on the google site, however, MSN 570 was transferred instead of MSN 648.

*Over one month ago there were talks of adding a 5th A330 for the DUS ops, but I think that idea is off the table now, seeing the recent developments.

I have no info on other incoming aircraft for 2020, but I believe that is one of the topics being discussed at Board level now, so no one knows really, yet. It can be 1, or 2, or 3 a/c, or none at all.

Ever since SN is 100% LHG, transfer of aircraft are only known at very short notice. It is supposedly one of the benefits of being in a big aviation group.

At the beginning of next year it should look like this (when the current re-fleet is finished):
DUS: SFJ-K-L-P
BRU: SFB-C-D-H (ex-CX), SFE-F-G-X (ex-SQ), SFZ-T (to be replaced in '21-'22).
If it's correct,
The long-haul activities (operated by Brussels Airlines or Sun Express) from Düsseldorf will be end at the next winter season.
In theory, the long-haul flights from Düsseldorf would be operated by a "Network operator" : Lufthansa is the most probably candidate (directs flights or with a short connection in Frankfurt or Munich). I can't imagine Brussels Airlines operate a DUS-EWR or MIA with an A330 in Brussels livery.

So the question is :
Airbus A330 from LH (OO-SFJ/K/L) should to be stay in the Brussels Airlines fleet or should be return to Lufthansa ? Lufthansa Don't communicate about the long-haul activites for the winter season from DUS. DUS-US routes would be cancelled and replace by a connection in FRA ?

If Airbus A330 (OO-SFJ/K/L) would be transferred in Brussels, it's good opportunities to replace the last A330-200 (OO-SFU/T/Z) by an A330-300 motorized by Trent 700. More economic, more easy to maintenance (pieces stock, etc.).
1 engine type for A320 series : CFM
1 engine type for A330 series : Rolls-Royce

it's an idea.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Ansett » 03 Aug 2019, 13:57

Sounds a good idea (to a non expert in technical matters).
What will happen with SN registered planes operating out of DUS when these operations stop ?
As said before, no communication from LH (they still don't know, I presume).

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by A321Lufthansa » 03 Aug 2019, 14:39

Will OO-SFP be ex D-AIKG or AIKH? As I know, LH wanted to transfer both
UPD: sorry, didn’t read the post properly.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by cathay belgium » 03 Aug 2019, 14:50

Hi,

I know an A333 stewardess of SN which will be based in DUS for winter season, so..... SN will operated those in behalf of EW/LH... Well that's thé white livery handy for on those new planes...
Why not the Star Alliance livery operated on all like those A343 of Lufthansa Cityline... ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 04 Aug 2019, 11:08

The interview of Christina Foerster by De Tijd was mentioned in the "Brussels Airlines in 2019" thread. In that interview, she mentioned an interesting fact: painting an Airbus A320 costs 60,000 euros. Thus, OO-SNN, which came back from the paint shop with a Eurowings livery, will keep that livery until the paint needs to be renewed (some 5 years or more).

Painting an A330 should cost about double that amount. Thus the "new" A330s coming from Singapore and Cathay will have a white livery until the paint falls apart.

Christina Foerster had clearly indicated that there are other priorities than having a uniform livery. And in 5 years from now, when hopefully the financial situation of Brussels Airlines will have improved, the airline might think of standardising its livery with that of the other members of the Lufthansa Group.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by A321Lufthansa » 04 Aug 2019, 13:59

sn26567 wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 11:08
The interview of Christina Foerster by De Tijd was mentioned in the "Brussels Airlines in 2019" thread. In that interview, she mentioned an interesting fact: painting an Airbus A320 costs 60,000 euros. Thus, OO-SNN, which came back from the paint shop with a Eurowings livery, will keep that livery until the paint needs to be renewed (some 5 years or more).

Painting an A330 should cost about double that amount. Thus the "new" A330s coming from Singapore and Cathay will have a white livery until the paint falls apart.

Christina Foerster had clearly indicated that there are other priorities than having a uniform livery. And in 5 years from now, when hopefully the financial situation of Brussels Airlines will have improved, the airline might think of standardising its livery with that of the other members of the Lufthansa Group.
I think it is just easier to exchange OO-SNN (give it to EW) for another A319/320.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by mdm » 04 Aug 2019, 19:22

You mean D-AEUD Eurowings Airbus A320-214, still in storage or even one of de A321's coming from Laudamotion. Good idea.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by A321Lufthansa » 04 Aug 2019, 23:00

mdm wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:22
You mean D-AEUD Eurowings Airbus A320-214, still in storage or even one of de A321's coming from Laudamotion. Good idea.
That can be either one of non-repainted from AB cs (D-ABHA or D-ABZI) or D-AEUH or even one of late CFM-engined A319 (D-AKNT-V). A321 currently doesn’t fit to SN strategy.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by airbuske » 05 Aug 2019, 10:38

mdm wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:22
You mean D-AEUD Eurowings Airbus A320-214, still in storage or even one of de A321's coming from Laudamotion. Good idea.
But if an aircraft is phased-in it undergoes modifications for SN ops like for example the EFB, sometimes seats , galley,...
If you switch with another aircraft you have to do the modifications again.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by A321Lufthansa » 05 Aug 2019, 11:36

airbuske wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 10:38
mdm wrote:
04 Aug 2019, 19:22
You mean D-AEUD Eurowings Airbus A320-214, still in storage or even one of de A321's coming from Laudamotion. Good idea.
But if an aircraft is phased-in it undergoes modifications for SN ops like for example the EFB, sometimes seats , galley,...
If you switch with another aircraft you have to do the modifications again.
According to the news the cabin in OO-SNN wasn’t changed from AB/HG/OE.
By the way, which cabin does OO-SFB have?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 05 Aug 2019, 12:13

A321Lufthansa wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 11:36
According to the news the cabin in OO-SNN wasn’t changed from AB/HG/OE.
Like Airbuske says, these modifications are more than just the cabin.
A321Lufthansa wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 11:36
By the way, which cabin does OO-SFB have?
I remember having read that it has the old CX-cabin, but modified with a premium economy section (with old CX-seats) for the EW-flights.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 05 Aug 2019, 13:54

C96C wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 12:13
A321Lufthansa wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 11:36
According to the news the cabin in OO-SNN wasn’t changed from AB/HG/OE.
Like Airbuske says, these modifications are more than just the cabin.
A321Lufthansa wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 11:36
By the way, which cabin does OO-SFB have?
I remember having read that it has the old CX-cabin, but modified with a premium economy section (with old CX-seats) for the EW-flights.
Will OO-SFB return to the SN fleet?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 05 Aug 2019, 15:45

nordikcam wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 13:54

Will OO-SFB return to the SN fleet?
She has already returned a few months ago.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 05 Aug 2019, 15:58

C96C wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 15:45
nordikcam wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 13:54

Will OO-SFB return to the SN fleet?
She has already returned a few months ago.
Ok it's flying today. Sorry !

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by bmibaby737 » 15 Aug 2019, 16:56

I'm sorry if this has been covered before but I've gone through the thread to find the exact details and cannot seem to find what I'm looking for.

I'm trying to find out exactly how many seats each of the A330 has? From what I can gather:

C16W21Y255

OO-SFB A330-342 operating for Brussels Airlines in Eurowings cs

C30W28Y225 operating for Eurowings

OO-SFJ A330-343
OO-SFK A330-343
OO-SFL A330-343
OO-SFP A330-343

C30W21Y244

OO-SFD A330-342
OO-SFE A330-343

Does this leave OO-SFC, OO-SFF, OO-SFG and OO-SFX with the old configuration? Is that C30Y258 or C30Y254?
When they exited the fleet, did OO-SFM, OO-SFN, OO-SFO, OO-SFV and OO-SFW also have the above?

I presume also the A330-200s are C22Y240?

Many thanks!

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by cHabu » 16 Aug 2019, 12:37

I don't know if this is relevant for this topic, but...
AELS wrote:AELS has purchased one Airbus A330-223 operated by Brussels Airlines. The aircraft will be flown to Twente Airport next week. AELS will disassemble and dismantle the aircraft according to the highest industry standards.

The A330, MSN 229, with registration OO-SFY, has been operated by Brussels Airlines since 2011. The aircraft initially flew for Swiss.

AELS is looking forward receiving this aircraft at our facility after 21 year of reliable and safe service.
Posted by AELS on Facebook today.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Av24.be » 16 Aug 2019, 13:01

cHabu wrote:
16 Aug 2019, 12:37
I don't know if this is relevant for this topic, but...
AELS wrote:AELS has purchased one Airbus A330-223 operated by Brussels Airlines. The aircraft will be flown to Twente Airport next week. AELS will disassemble and dismantle the aircraft according to the highest industry standards.

The A330, MSN 229, with registration OO-SFY, has been operated by Brussels Airlines since 2011. The aircraft initially flew for Swiss.

AELS is looking forward receiving this aircraft at our facility after 21 year of reliable and safe service.
Posted by AELS on Facebook today.
Thank your for the heads up! Sure it's relevant!

https://www.aviation24.be/miscellaneous ... 30-oo-sfy/

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by luchtzak » 19 Aug 2019, 13:07

Landing of OO-SFY at Twente Airport.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by sn26567 » 19 Aug 2019, 14:20

luchtzak wrote:
19 Aug 2019, 13:07
Landing of OO-SFY at Twente Airport.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 19 Aug 2019, 16:38

Dear OO-SFY we already miss you.
A lot.

OO-SFZ was planned to run SN515 to IAD today, STD 1015LT
According to Flightstats.com, at 0757 this morning, Zulu was replaced by Bravo with ETD 1200.
Actual time of departure 1241, two and a half hour late.

OO-SFB being "diverted" to IAD, she could not run her planned service to Dakar today, STD 1130.
According to Flightstats.com, at same 0757, Bravo was replaced by Whiskey with ETD 1530.
Actual time of departure 1555, four and a half hour late.

So I guess OO-SFZ must be at Hangar41. She's planned to fly tomorrow.

Dear Beloved Kaiser Spohr, methinks that to make SN profitable a couple of additional A330s are urgently necessary.
Wouldn't you have some idle somewhere or used for low-yield tourists flights that could be better used at SN? If your intention is to develop this lucrative AFI market that is.

H.A.

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