Air India to place 6 billion dollar order with Boeing

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 29 Apr 2005, 14:12

Airbus may lose India orders.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/ ... lap29.html

Now this news is something Advisor can follow, it would be unprecedented if this happens, the old saying " be careful what you ask for, you just may get it" applies to Airbus and thier insistance the India review the Boeing order may cause them to lose their own previous orders.

vivek0072 · Post by **vivek0072** » 29 Apr 2005, 16:48

Also it is alleged that Airbus, filled pockets of high rank officials long time back and thats the reason you see a lot of airbus planes in Indian Airlines fleet.

The investigation continues , many say that the French govt has been a major road block in this investigation.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 29 Apr 2005, 18:58

Airbus appears to have shot itself in the foot.

http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=13728947

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 30 Apr 2005, 01:31

Don't be surprised if you never see another Airbus fly under the flag of India, Airbus has shown great disrespect to the people and Country of India.
The Country has been insulted and the Actions of Airbus may be subject to legal action and cancellation of orders.

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full ... t_id=89596

PlaneMad · Post by **PlaneMad** » 30 Apr 2005, 08:11

bits44 wrote:Don't be surprised if you never see another Airbus fly under the flag of India, Airbus has shown great disrespect to the people and Country of India.
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full ... t_id=89596

I really dont think so, maybe AI wont buy another Airbus but thats it.
How exactly did Airbus insult India?

PlaneMad · Post by **PlaneMad** » 30 Apr 2005, 08:20

Ont the other hand, i just heard IC's subsidary Alliance Air will be rechristened as a LCC 'India Shuttle' and are all set to lease A319s to replace their B732s.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 30 Apr 2005, 14:03

Far be it from me to explain the intricacies of Indian culture, their beliefs, their pride, are a subject to be discussed with someone who lives there, so I'll leave it one our members who does live there and has great pride in his country and what its trying to achieve.

His name is " Advisor " a prolific poster and a very involved member of this forum, I'm sure when he's back he will expound on what Airbus's statements and actions mean to him.

KT

PlaneMad · Post by **PlaneMad** » 30 Apr 2005, 15:21

bits44 wrote:Far be it from me to explain the intricacies of Indian culture, their beliefs, their pride, are a subject to be discussed with someone who lives there, so I'll leave it one our members who does live there and has great pride in his country and what its trying to achieve.

KT

Thats a bit over-exaggerated, i live in India and its a bit immature to consider Airbus' decesion to be an insult. Its more of an insult to the board that approved the decision than to the country

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 30 Apr 2005, 19:44

Dear Brothers Bits44 & PlaneMad

Both of you are correct in your point of view.

Yes, we have felt bad over some instances of dialogue and statements issued by Airbus.
And yes, if we are to look more realistically, does AI decide whom to give the order to ? or do we have to listen to Airbus

for doing what we have to and if done the other way, ask procedural and protocol questions

Funny acting to me by Airbus

And a shot in the arm for the board yes, but then in India who decides, is the crux of the matter.

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 01 May 2005, 07:04

This foolish action by Airbus is escalating into Government relations, certainly not the way to treat your customers, someone at Airbus has exercised extremely poor judgement in following this course.

http://www.ndtv.com/money/showbusinesss ... 2&id=24932

boeing797 · Post by **boeing797** » 01 May 2005, 14:08

BP wrote:I actually beleive that Airbus may have a point. How can AI Board choose what´s best if Airbus was not able to present the A350 up against the B787.
It may seem that this may be a logical move, as corruption may be involved. Lets not forget that its the Goverments money being spent here and not a private company.

Yeah Airbus may have a point, but if Air Canada, Air Korean, and NorthWest who are Airbus loyal customers didn't go for A350, then it makes senses AI go for B787.

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 02 May 2005, 08:47

boeing797 wrote:
BP wrote:I actually beleive that Airbus may have a point. How can AI Board choose what´s best if Airbus was not able to present the A350 up against the B787.
It may seem that this may be a logical move, as corruption may be involved. Lets not forget that its the Goverments money being spent here and not a private company.
Yeah Airbus may have a point, but if Air Canada, Air Korean, and NorthWest who are Airbus loyal customers didn't go for A350, then it makes senses AI go for B787.

Hmn. Yes. Even this makes sense.

Starvmg · Post by **Starvmg** » 03 May 2005, 00:29

Aviation Minister says the govt wil not get involved........there is no reason for there to be any objection by Airbus

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap ... 88460.html

and see

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/200 ... 150700.htm

Air India has chosen the B777/787, please let them be;)

It also says in the Hindu business line article that they are reviewing the Indian airlines A32- proposal for 43 planes from airbus

HorsePower · Post by **HorsePower** » 03 May 2005, 01:20

Starvmg wrote:Air India has chosen the B777/787, please let them be

Exactly! As we say in France, customer is always right! AI choose Boeing, good to them. I do not understand why Airbus contest that!

My 0.02€

Seb. 8)

Starvmg · Post by **Starvmg** » 03 May 2005, 07:57

I like your 2 eurocents, HorsePower!

Exactly, the customer satisfaction is the most important

rather than crying, airbus should find out wha Air india found unfavorable or lacking in their product so they can improve...

Also, when Air France decided to buy a lot of B777s, did Airbus put up a similar fit???

Advisor · Post by **Advisor** » 03 May 2005, 09:07

Starvmg wrote:Aviation Minister says the govt wil not get involved........there is no reason for there to be any objection by Airbus

http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap ... 88460.html

and see

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/200 ... 150700.htm

Air India has chosen the B777/787, please let them be;)

It also says in the Hindu business line article that they are reviewing the Indian airlines A32- proposal for 43 planes from airbus

With respect to AIRINDIA once the airline board clears the plans then they go to the PARLIAMENTARY BOARD for approval. So i guess, why is the world, especially AIRBUS making such a big hue and cry about it

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 04 May 2005, 05:31

As if Airbus wasn't already having problems in India, they may lose everything.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1347363,0008.htm

regi · Post by **regi** » 05 May 2005, 13:28

Compensation programs, that means a lot in India. Look at the website of Hindustan aeronautics.
http://www.hal-india.com/index.asp
Why do the russians sell a lot of military planes to India - also after the cold war? Because the russians participate in technology transfer programs.
If the Indian economy keeps on developing as it does now, there will be needed many more airplanes in the future. Airbus can make over its homework and make a package with compensation orders and technology transfer. Be sure that is the way Boeing has sold the deal.

chunk · Post by **chunk** » 05 May 2005, 15:51

bits44 wrote:As if Airbus wasn't already having problems in India, they may lose everything.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1347363,0008.htm

Hmm - if the Indian gonvernment doesn;t get involved in such things how come the A340 order was held up by.....the Indian government. What sh*te. Airbus has cried foul because they feel that Boeing have been up to exactly what they (airbus) almost certainly do also. Bigger bribes paid - order achieved. Every industry does it...it's called 'greasing the palms'....

And before someone gets on their high horse about this being anti-everything - this happens in EVERY country, whatever you think. Withot wiching to get too far off topic, check out the US tanker deal and the nepotism that exists in so many organisations. For example....Senior Exec at Boeing becomes CEO at Continental (that eejit Bethune) - now, what do you think the chances of another airbus being bought by COntinental were? Now look at the sh*t they are in....not an asset to their name and a heap of debt...if I was a COntinental Shareholder I would not be impressed that my fleet making decisions didn;t face competitive tender - wouldn;t you?

I am quie willing to bet that funds transfer has led to the AI decision....but it is something Airbus does too I'm sure.....perhaps they paid their bribe and got nothing for it!

bits44 · Post by **bits44** » 06 May 2005, 14:20

This insane reaction by Airbus has now escalated up the highest level of government and has affected Diplomatic relations between the two Countries, by escalating this furor Airbus is causing itself irreparable harm not only now but in the future.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1350590,0002.htm