Air Belgium in 2023

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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Atlantis wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 19:51
Conti764 wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 18:24
Atlantis wrote: 05 Jun 2023, 23:40

Why would they give up for a so small player with any network? They are too strong for that.
BTW UA is going to increase more during Winter 23-24 by adding a second B787-10.
Yes, they upgrade current flights. But what if - and that's a major if, I know - AB would start let's say SFO or LAX, BOS (not a *A-hub though)? Will A++ react and have UA start flights to the Westcoast or SN to BOS? Or just sit this one out?
It would be very unresponsible of LH to not react. Long haul had a much bigger impact than short haul.
But Delsay Airlines tried it also years ago. Was the same situation without network. They only flew shortly on the Westcoast.
It's really hard to say with KF.

But The States are really underserved. LH should make it stronger. They also should look at their right side, Poland, bcs they start to have a very strong long haul network. Certainly when their mega airport will open in a few years.

If LH or others will not react, if wish KF all the best to be successful and to do what others don't
Delsey and VG were ridiculous ventures by two super arrogant millionaires.
Same for Vastapane who took over Sobelair because his grandchildren liked to go to South Africa to see elephants.

Terzakis is a professional. For sure in cargo, but also in PAX flights.

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JOVAN2 wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 21:22 Delsey and VG were ridiculous ventures by two super arrogant millionaires.
Freddy Van Gaever, who started VG Airlines, was far from 'arrogant'. Yes, he was a millionaire, but only just. He took a high risk and invested all his savings (excluding his nice home) in an airline, including a bond of 1M to ILFC. When he needed to invest more, his wife objected. Tony Gram then took over all shares. Yes, Gram is a multi-millionaire (175M thanks to Kipling and Delsey). I don't know if he is arrogant - seems you know him better then I did. But Gram honoured the 1M bond to FVG a few months after the Delsay Airlines bankruptcy.
JOVAN2 wrote: 06 Jun 2023, 21:22 Same for Vastapane who took over Sobelair because his grandchildren liked to go to South Africa to see elephants.
The extra bonus for Vastapane was wildlife related indeed. Not to go on safari though. Vastapane owned The Big Five Tax Free Shops in JNB Johannesburg and CPT Cape Town. The belly cargo of the 767 was loaded with Belgian chocolates and Belgian beer for those shops. And on the way back home: South African products (mainly wine) for Belgian Sky Shops / International Duty Free at BRU, owned by... yep.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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Air Belgium in the first quarter of 2024 is adjusting operations on Brussels – Mauritius service. From 16JAN24 to 22MAR24, the airline will operate 1 weekly flight with Airbus A330-900neo aircraft, instead of 2 weekly.

KF2301 BRU0905 – 2355MRU 330 2
KF2301 BRU2140 – 1230+1MRU 330 5

KF2302 MRU0125 – 1025BRU 330 3
KF2302 MRU2120 – 0620+1BRU 330 6

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230608-kf1q24mru

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crew1990 wrote: 08 Jun 2023, 12:01 Air Belgium in the first quarter of 2024 is adjusting operations on Brussels – Mauritius service. From 16JAN24 to 22MAR24, the airline will operate 1 weekly flight with Airbus A330-900neo aircraft, instead of 2 weekly.
January and February have a high risk of hurricanes around Mauritius. Touroperators know that, so they limit their allotments.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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In the early morning of 21 June, an Air Belgium A330-200 reg. OE-LCL operating flight MD51 from Paris CDG to Antananarivo (TNR) for Air Madagascar diverted to Réunion island (RUN) for an unknown reason. It continued to its final destination on 22 June, the day at which it resumed normal operations with flight MD50 to CDG.

Soon Air Belgium passengers will be able to reach Réunion from Brussels via Mauritius thanks to an interline agreement with Air Mauritius.
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sn26567 wrote: 22 Jun 2023, 20:38 In the early morning of 21 June, an Air Belgium A330-200 reg. OE-LCL operating flight MD51 from Paris CDG to Antananarivo (TNR) for Air Madagascar diverted to Réunion island (RUN) for an unknown reason. It continued to its final destination on 22 June, the day at which it resumed normal operations with flight MD50 to CDG.

Soon Air Belgium passengers will be able to reach Réunion from Brussels via Mauritius thanks to an interline agreement with Air Mauritius.
Very dense fog at FMMI during the night and early morning.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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In the last few days i heard a lot of advertisement of AirBelgium on VrtRadioEén. Maybe also on other radio stations ?
Pity they promote only one destination. Mauritius.
Why not CPT and JHB ?

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I sometime see there publicity on the website of https://www.news24.com/... a SA newspaper...

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British Airways in last week’s schedule update extended leased Air Belgium A330-900neo aircraft service, as the A330neo continues to operate on 1 of 2 daily London Heathrow – Chicago O'Hare service between 29OCT23 and 14NOV23.

Operational schedule below is effective 07NOV23 – 14NOV23.

BA295 LHR1100 – 1355ORD 339 D
BA297 LHR1505 – 1805ORD 388 x1
BA297 LHR1510 – 1810ORD 388 1

BA294 ORD1700 – 0640+1LHR 339 D
BA296 ORD2105 – 1050+1LHR 388 x1
BA296 ORD2105 – 1100+1LHR 388 1

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230717-banov23ord

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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"Ruim 44 miljoen euro verlies voor Air Belgium in 2022"

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OE-LAJ and OE-LAL seemed to be at EBOS for short time storage?

Further info available?

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Boeing767copilot wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 17:13 "Ruim 44 miljoen euro verlies voor Air Belgium in 2022"
Loss of 44.000.000 for Air Belgium in 2022... is this that hard to write in English?

viewtopic.php?t=2760

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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B737229 wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 19:04 OE-LAJ and OE-LAL seemed to be at EBOS for short time storage?

Further info available?
So far they shouldn't be flying before at least September, but who knows. Summer is known to be weaker in terms of freight and I guess they were stored in Ostend as it must be cheaper than in Zaventem.

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Boeing767copilot wrote: 31 Jul 2023, 17:13 "Ruim 44 miljoen euro verlies voor Air Belgium in 2022"
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... -investor/
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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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According to the financial newspaper "De Tijd", the new shareholder will be Chinese...

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by crew1990 » 31 Jul 2023 07:22 pm

Boeing767copilot wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023 05:13 pm
"Ruim 44 miljoen euro verlies voor Air Belgium in 2022"
Loss of 44.000.000 for Air Belgium in 2022... is this that hard to write in English?

viewtopic.php?t=2760
Although you are right, I would love to see 1, just 1, same remark of you towards a Francophone poster posting in French...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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Air Belgium incurs a loss of €44.6 million in 2022, looks for new investor.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... -investor/
Financial input by all investors till 31/12/2022 is 50,6M.
Cumulated loss 31/12/2022 is 91,6M
Own assetts 31/12/2022 is minus 41,0M.

An new investor with 14,4M for 49% means that the actual shareholders loose (the theoretical value of) about 35% of their initial investment.

A cash input of 14,4M still leaves the airline with 26.6M negative own assetts and a weak cash position (2022 <-> 2021).

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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OO-JFP wrote: 01 Aug 2023, 09:43 According to the financial newspaper "De Tijd", the new shareholder will be Chinese...

@ crew1990:
by crew1990 » 31 Jul 2023 07:22 pm

Boeing767copilot wrote: ↑31 Jul 2023 05:13 pm
"Ruim 44 miljoen euro verlies voor Air Belgium in 2022"
Loss of 44.000.000 for Air Belgium in 2022... is this that hard to write in English?

viewtopic.php?t=2760
Although you are right, I would love to see 1, just 1, same remark of you towards a Francophone poster posting in French...

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I would do that if I see it, feel free to "tag" me if it's the case and I'll have the same remark. But with all my respect, so far I haven't seen it yet. I do not care about Dutch, French, Spanish, Polish, Hungarian or whatever. But when quoting something in another language, a small translation should always be added. This is just per respect that we are asked to use English on this forum so that everyone, non-belgian as well can understand, let's just try to stick to this simple rule.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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OE-LFI B748F left today for Marana via Bangor.
Last flight for Air Belgium?

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OO-JFP wrote: 09 Aug 2023, 22:29 OE-LFI B748F left today for Marana via Bangor.
Last flight for Air Belgium?
Or D-check? 8 years old is still very young for a B747-8.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2023

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OO-JFP wrote: 09 Aug 2023, 22:29 OE-LFI B748F left today for Marana via Bangor.
Last flight for Air Belgium?
Scheduled to begin operations at the end of this month; it is a maintenance check

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