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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

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oldblueeyes wrote:
15 May 2020, 09:37
lumumba wrote:
14 May 2020, 20:41
About the regional airports and subsidies that's crazy knowing that this is already a polluting industry with no tax on oil!
Thx for the clarification.
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And now see the numbers at CRL Airport.
- nearly 8 Mio Pax
- 70% market share of Ryanair - makes 5,5 Mio Pax, or equivalent of 20 aircraft
- 10% Wizz - equivalent of 2-3 aircraft

Maybe the real threat for Brussels airlines is not in Frankfurt but the rivalry between the French and Flemish communities in the country leading to a type of competition where everybody is loosing.
But Charleroi doesn't receive any subsidies anymore they received before to start but know they don't receive anymore.
You have to be under a certain number and they lost there last court case against Brussels Airport ....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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The A321LR would be perfect for Luanda by the way
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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lumumba wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:12
The A321LR would be perfect for Luanda by the way
In high density economy only if you want to be consistent with your earlier comments, no?
lumumba wrote:
14 May 2020, 20:41
that's crazy knowing that this is already a polluting industry with no tax on oil!

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If I understand well, the long haul fleet would consist of 8 A330-300 and 4 A321XLR I guess then those 4 A321 could be use to north america only (Boston, Newark, Washington, Montreal and Miami maybe Tel Aviv?) as those destination need a high frequency to work. And the 8 A330 to serve New York and Africa (because of cargo issue)

I also hope that this A321 can open some new opportunity for Europe, Brussels Airlines never had A321 because it was expensive to have a new type in the fleet, but if now there is a subfleet of A321LXR, I hope we can also get 2-3 classic A321 without proper business class for destination with high demand in Europe. Geneva, Berlin, London, Nice or popular tourist destination like Malaga and Tenerife. This could be a nice way to reduce the ecological impact by reducing flightwith bigger aircraft where possible (go from 6 daily flight on A319/A320 for GVA to 5 daily flight A320/A321) Or to add capacity where you can't add flight like LHR (even if in my opinion LHR should be dropped and replace by a Eurostar service direct to BRU)

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crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:58
If I understand well, the long haul fleet would consist of 8 A330-300 and 4 A321XLR I guess then those 4 A321 could be use to north america only (Boston, Newark, Washington, Montreal and Miami maybe Tel Aviv?) as those destination need a high frequency to work. And the 8 A330 to serve New York and Africa (because of cargo issue)

I also hope that this A321 can open some new opportunity for Europe, Brussels Airlines never had A321 because it was expensive to have a new type in the fleet, but if now there is a subfleet of A321LXR, I hope we can also get 2-3 classic A321 without proper business class for destination with high demand in Europe. Geneva, Berlin, London, Nice or popular tourist destination like Malaga and Tenerife. This could be a nice way to reduce the ecological impact by reducing flightwith bigger aircraft where possible (go from 6 daily flight on A319/A320 for GVA to 5 daily flight A320/A321) Or to add capacity where you can't add flight like LHR (even if in my opinion LHR should be dropped and replace by a Eurostar service direct to BRU)
I like your ideas but not the Eurostar idea.

After a connecting flight in LHR, going to St Pancras to get the Eurostar? :shock:

talking about nightmares

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Poiu wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:41
lumumba wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:12
The A321LR would be perfect for Luanda by the way
In high density economy only if you want to be consistent with your earlier comments, no?
lumumba wrote:
14 May 2020, 20:41
that's crazy knowing that this is already a polluting industry with no tax on oil!
If you read all the comment it's linked to the fact that there are a lot of subsidies and no tax on the fuel .

For the first one it's not applicable on Brussels Airlines for the second it is.

For the fuel tax it's not fear for direct competitors like the high speed train that is less polluting .

In the contrary this less polluting transport should be promoted naturally,it's not possible for long haul yet.

A fuel tax should be normal anyway.
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Matt wrote:
15 May 2020, 12:03
crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:58
If I understand well, the long haul fleet would consist of 8 A330-300 and 4 A321XLR I guess then those 4 A321 could be use to north america only (Boston, Newark, Washington, Montreal and Miami maybe Tel Aviv?) as those destination need a high frequency to work. And the 8 A330 to serve New York and Africa (because of cargo issue)

I also hope that this A321 can open some new opportunity for Europe, Brussels Airlines never had A321 because it was expensive to have a new type in the fleet, but if now there is a subfleet of A321LXR, I hope we can also get 2-3 classic A321 without proper business class for destination with high demand in Europe. Geneva, Berlin, London, Nice or popular tourist destination like Malaga and Tenerife. This could be a nice way to reduce the ecological impact by reducing flightwith bigger aircraft where possible (go from 6 daily flight on A319/A320 for GVA to 5 daily flight A320/A321) Or to add capacity where you can't add flight like LHR (even if in my opinion LHR should be dropped and replace by a Eurostar service direct to BRU)
I like your ideas but not the Eurostar idea.

After a connecting flight in LHR, going to St Pancras to get the Eurostar? :shock:

talking about nightmares
There should be direct train links to all this airports like CDG.
This could be financed by a fuel tax for example.

But for sure today it's not possible.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Carsten Spohr arrived at Wetstraat 16 Rue de la Loi

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

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Matt wrote:
15 May 2020, 12:03
crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:58
If I understand well, the long haul fleet would consist of 8 A330-300 and 4 A321XLR I guess then those 4 A321 could be use to north america only (Boston, Newark, Washington, Montreal and Miami maybe Tel Aviv?) as those destination need a high frequency to work. And the 8 A330 to serve New York and Africa (because of cargo issue)

I also hope that this A321 can open some new opportunity for Europe, Brussels Airlines never had A321 because it was expensive to have a new type in the fleet, but if now there is a subfleet of A321LXR, I hope we can also get 2-3 classic A321 without proper business class for destination with high demand in Europe. Geneva, Berlin, London, Nice or popular tourist destination like Malaga and Tenerife. This could be a nice way to reduce the ecological impact by reducing flightwith bigger aircraft where possible (go from 6 daily flight on A319/A320 for GVA to 5 daily flight A320/A321) Or to add capacity where you can't add flight like LHR (even if in my opinion LHR should be dropped and replace by a Eurostar service direct to BRU)
I like your ideas but not the Eurostar idea.

After a connecting flight in LHR, going to St Pancras to get the Eurostar? :shock:

talking about nightmares
I don't understand your point.

A pax flying from for example Kinshasa with final destination London, if this passenger fly Kinshasa to Brussels Airport and then get a smooth connection with Eurostar from the Brussels Airport to London St Pancras in the city center, why would it be less convenient than flying Kinshasa-Brussels-London Heathrow with 30 minutes holding above Heathrow before landing, having to walk kilometers to go out of the airport and get a train to the city center? It would be much more convenient with Eurostar and faster to reach the city center of London.

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crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 13:20
Matt wrote:
15 May 2020, 12:03
crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:58
If I understand well, the long haul fleet would consist of 8 A330-300 and 4 A321XLR I guess then those 4 A321 could be use to north america only (Boston, Newark, Washington, Montreal and Miami maybe Tel Aviv?) as those destination need a high frequency to work. And the 8 A330 to serve New York and Africa (because of cargo issue)

I also hope that this A321 can open some new opportunity for Europe, Brussels Airlines never had A321 because it was expensive to have a new type in the fleet, but if now there is a subfleet of A321LXR, I hope we can also get 2-3 classic A321 without proper business class for destination with high demand in Europe. Geneva, Berlin, London, Nice or popular tourist destination like Malaga and Tenerife. This could be a nice way to reduce the ecological impact by reducing flightwith bigger aircraft where possible (go from 6 daily flight on A319/A320 for GVA to 5 daily flight A320/A321) Or to add capacity where you can't add flight like LHR (even if in my opinion LHR should be dropped and replace by a Eurostar service direct to BRU)
I like your ideas but not the Eurostar idea.

After a connecting flight in LHR, going to St Pancras to get the Eurostar? :shock:

talking about nightmares
I don't understand your point.

A pax flying from for example Kinshasa with final destination London, if this passenger fly Kinshasa to Brussels Airport and then get a smooth connection with Eurostar from the Brussels Airport to London St Pancras in the city center, why would it be less convenient than flying Kinshasa-Brussels-London Heathrow with 30 minutes holding above Heathrow before landing, having to walk kilometers to go out of the airport and get a train to the city center? It would be much more convenient with Eurostar and faster to reach the city center of London.
Unfortunately there are some people with final destination Brussels. It's still cheaper to fly ( e.g.) BRU-LHR-NRT than BRU-NRT . Heck, it's sometimes even cheaper to do AMS-BRU-NRT with train instead of BRU-NRT :?

Is this stupid? yes. But unless LHR has a direct train connection to BRU you cannot simply change these flights for trains. ( unike CDG-BRU-AMS which has a nice train service in between :) )

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by Ge203 » 15 May 2020, 09:25

ACE, BLL, BRS, CHQ, CLY, PMO,CTA, FNC,FSC, HAJ, HRG, SNI, KGS, KRK, LED, LEI, RAK, RHO, SVO, SVQ, VLC, ZAD, ZAG and ZTH for the short/medium-haul
CKY and OUA for the long-haul.
Thanks. Which airport is meant by SNI?

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FLYAIR10 wrote:
15 May 2020, 14:16
by Ge203 » 15 May 2020, 09:25

ACE, BLL, BRS, CHQ, CLY, PMO,CTA, FNC,FSC, HAJ, HRG, SNI, KGS, KRK, LED, LEI, RAK, RHO, SVO, SVQ, VLC, ZAD, ZAG and ZTH for the short/medium-haul
CKY and OUA for the long-haul.
Thanks. Which airport is meant by SNI?
Oops, my bad, got too confident with my code knowledge.. I meant Santorini (JTR)

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no problem.thks.

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Matt wrote:
15 May 2020, 13:37
crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 13:20
Matt wrote:
15 May 2020, 12:03


I like your ideas but not the Eurostar idea.

After a connecting flight in LHR, going to St Pancras to get the Eurostar? :shock:

talking about nightmares
I don't understand your point.

A pax flying from for example Kinshasa with final destination London, if this passenger fly Kinshasa to Brussels Airport and then get a smooth connection with Eurostar from the Brussels Airport to London St Pancras in the city center, why would it be less convenient than flying Kinshasa-Brussels-London Heathrow with 30 minutes holding above Heathrow before landing, having to walk kilometers to go out of the airport and get a train to the city center? It would be much more convenient with Eurostar and faster to reach the city center of London.
Unfortunately there are some people with final destination Brussels. It's still cheaper to fly ( e.g.) BRU-LHR-NRT than BRU-NRT . Heck, it's sometimes even cheaper to do AMS-BRU-NRT with train instead of BRU-NRT :?

Is this stupid? yes. But unless LHR has a direct train connection to BRU you cannot simply change these flights for trains. ( unike CDG-BRU-AMS which has a nice train service in between :) )
This is why to me short flight should be replaced by train service directly from BRU but being sold as a flight like Air France is doing for Brussels. So a passenger book the entire trip via the booking system but instead of an A320, you get a train. It doesn't make any thing about the pricing as the whole journey is commercialised by the same airline

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crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 13:20
Matt wrote:
15 May 2020, 12:03
crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 11:58
If I understand well, the long haul fleet would consist of 8 A330-300 and 4 A321XLR I guess then those 4 A321 could be use to north america only (Boston, Newark, Washington, Montreal and Miami maybe Tel Aviv?) as those destination need a high frequency to work. And the 8 A330 to serve New York and Africa (because of cargo issue)

I also hope that this A321 can open some new opportunity for Europe, Brussels Airlines never had A321 because it was expensive to have a new type in the fleet, but if now there is a subfleet of A321LXR, I hope we can also get 2-3 classic A321 without proper business class for destination with high demand in Europe. Geneva, Berlin, London, Nice or popular tourist destination like Malaga and Tenerife. This could be a nice way to reduce the ecological impact by reducing flightwith bigger aircraft where possible (go from 6 daily flight on A319/A320 for GVA to 5 daily flight A320/A321) Or to add capacity where you can't add flight like LHR (even if in my opinion LHR should be dropped and replace by a Eurostar service direct to BRU)
I like your ideas but not the Eurostar idea.

After a connecting flight in LHR, going to St Pancras to get the Eurostar? :shock:

talking about nightmares
I don't understand your point.

A pax flying from for example Kinshasa with final destination London, if this passenger fly Kinshasa to Brussels Airport and then get a smooth connection with Eurostar from the Brussels Airport to London St Pancras in the city center, why would it be less convenient than flying Kinshasa-Brussels-London Heathrow with 30 minutes holding above Heathrow before landing, having to walk kilometers to go out of the airport and get a train to the city center? It would be much more convenient with Eurostar and faster to reach the city center of London.
Then BRU railwaystation has to be redesigned.

In a broader discussion, it would be nice however if the future western expansion of the A-pier would have direct access to the station.

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For the moment no agreement between Brussels Airlines/Spohr and the Belgian government

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Stupid Spohr came to ask 290 000 000 euros to our gouvernment, and he came with a private jet. Really

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crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 14:50
Stupid Spohr came to ask 290 000 000 euros to our gouvernment, and he came with a private jet. Really
This is one of the jets the training academy of Lufthansa is using, thus part of the hours flight by pilot trainees.

By the way there are 5 of them in the fleet.

How frustrated can you be ?

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Atlantis wrote:
15 May 2020, 14:35
For the moment no agreement between Brussels Airlines/Spohr and the Belgian government
Do you know by any chance why?

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oldblueeyes wrote:
15 May 2020, 14:54
crew1990 wrote:
15 May 2020, 14:50
Stupid Spohr came to ask 290 000 000 euros to our gouvernment, and he came with a private jet. Really
This is one of the jets the training academy of Lufthansa is using, thus part of the hours flight by pilot trainees.

By the way there are 5 of them in the fleet.

How frustrated can you be ?
I'm not frustrated at all, I just find ridiculous to dare to ask someone 290 million euros while coming for a 300km flight with a private jet.

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