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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by ostair » 11 Dec 2019, 22:17

The new TUI-Brussels airlines deal is a opportunity for both airlines.
One lost a contract (Thomas Cook) and the other has still a few grounded aircrafts.

If TUI would expand its deal with Brussels airlines then they could operate new routes instead.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 11 Dec 2019, 23:22

A modest start, but let's hope it will expand!
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by ostair » 12 Dec 2019, 02:06

sn26567 wrote:
11 Dec 2019, 23:22
A modest start, but let's hope it will expand!
I hope so too.
All Brussels flights operated by SN that would release their fleet to operate elsewhere until their 737-MAX aircraft can pick up traffic again.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by Poiu » 12 Dec 2019, 09:59

ostair wrote:
11 Dec 2019, 22:17
The new TUI-Brussels airlines deal is a opportunity for both airlines.
One lost a contract (Thomas Cook) and the other has still a few grounded aircrafts.

If TUI would expand its deal with Brussels airlines then they could operate new routes instead.
I see this more as damage control rather than an opportunity.
TUI desperately needs capacity and is forced to pay more than it would cost to operate the flights themselves. SN is desperate to sell some of their spare weekend/holiday capacity, even at a small loss, to reduce the costs.
A sensible temporary fix but not a good base for a long term cooperation.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 12 Dec 2019, 13:38

TUI Group plans to fly Boeing 737 MAX again at the end of April - via AeroTelegraph
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 13 Dec 2019, 09:19

TLspotting wrote:
12 Dec 2019, 13:38
TUI Group plans to fly Boeing 737 MAX again at the end of April - via AeroTelegraph
Incorrect. One of the scenarios is April, but that's not the only one. The truth is that nobody (that's including TUI) knows when the MAX will be in the air again. Every airline, every professional knows this very well and has set up different plans accordingly.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 13 Dec 2019, 15:17

Another aircraft leased.

ESSAP, to fly to Lanzarote from BRU tomorrow morning!
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 13 Dec 2019, 16:31

TLspotting wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 15:17
Another aircraft leased.

ESSAP, to fly to Lanzarote from BRU tomorrow morning!
No SN A320 available? So far for the new agreement!
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by CTBke » 13 Dec 2019, 16:33

sn26567 wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 16:31
TLspotting wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 15:17
Another aircraft leased.

ESSAP, to fly to Lanzarote from BRU tomorrow morning!
No SN A320 available? So far for the new agreement!
The agreement only starts during the Christmas holiday
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by Poiu » 13 Dec 2019, 17:31

CTBke wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 16:33
sn26567 wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 16:31

No SN A320 available? So far for the new agreement!
The agreement only starts during the Christmas holiday


It’s not an exclusivity agreement!

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by N77014 » 14 Dec 2019, 11:03

Is there a reason why TUI does not yet decide to store its 737 MAX aircraft in a more airplane friendly climate, such as e.g. Moses Lake or any other better ( warmer, dryer ) place than BRU ? I might imagine they could get approval for ferry flights, no ? As it seems this type of plane will not be allowed to take the skies in the next days, they do not need them close-by, do they ?

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by Poiu » 14 Dec 2019, 12:51

N77014 wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 11:03
Is there a reason why TUI does not yet decide to store its 737 MAX aircraft in a more airplane friendly climate, such as e.g. Moses Lake
Plenty of reasons:
-Moses Lake is 8000km from Brussels, quite a distance at 200 kts and FL200.
-planning and trying to obtain permission to ferry a MAX across the Atlantic will probably be impossible
-they haven’t flown for over 8 months, so they need extensive maintenance anyway.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by sean1982 » 14 Dec 2019, 13:11

TLspotting wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 15:17
Another aircraft leased.

ESSAP, to fly to Lanzarote from BRU tomorrow morning!
What is your issue with an airline leasing an aircraft to solve an AOG i wonder?

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by N77014 » 14 Dec 2019, 14:03

Thanks Poiu, as written in my message for the careful reader, I wrote “any other place”. I could imagine countries such as Spain, Morocco, some regions in the Middle East perhaps or even UAE would be more suitable...

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 14 Dec 2019, 14:51

sean1982 wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 13:11
TLspotting wrote:
13 Dec 2019, 15:17
Another aircraft leased.

ESSAP, to fly to Lanzarote from BRU tomorrow morning!
What is your issue with an airline leasing an aircraft to solve an AOG i wonder?
As it concerns TUI fly Belgium, I only mention it. Maybe my first sentence was too much. I'm sorry about that.
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by Poiu » 14 Dec 2019, 16:16

N77014 wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 14:03
Thanks Poiu, as written in my message for the careful reader, I wrote “any other place”. I could imagine countries such as Spain, Morocco, some regions in the Middle East perhaps or even UAE would be more suitable...
Problems remains the same:
-extensive maintenance before ferry
-long complicated flight
-extensive maintenance and complicated ferry again repositioning to Brussels for modification next year.
If they would have known, from the beginning, the grounding was for a year they would probably have stored them somewhere more south though.

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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by ZavCity » 14 Dec 2019, 16:20

In Europe there are "warm" places for storage:Teruel in Spain is the best known, so maybe this could have been an option!
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 15 Dec 2019, 14:20

OO-SRO going back to BRU from RZE.
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 15 Dec 2019, 14:27

OO-JAS / 737-7 is flying from and to Antwerp today. It might be the first time that a 737 of TUI operates from that airport.
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Re: TUI fly Belgium in 2019

Post by Hail Cyrilin » 15 Dec 2019, 14:59

Poiu wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 16:16
N77014 wrote:
14 Dec 2019, 14:03
Thanks Poiu, as written in my message for the careful reader, I wrote “any other place”. I could imagine countries such as Spain, Morocco, some regions in the Middle East perhaps or even UAE would be more suitable...
Problems remains the same:
-extensive maintenance before ferry
-long complicated flight
-extensive maintenance and complicated ferry again repositioning to Brussels for modification next year.
If they would have known, from the beginning, the grounding was for a year they would probably have stored them somewhere more south though.
TUI Airways Engineering (Tech4Jets) does regular maintenance on their 4 stored at BRU. Last I heard they are kept in normal flying condition. There's a whole list of things they have to do on regular basis: power-ups of the computer, rotate wheels certain degree, engine runs, etc. Maintenance wise it's probably cheaper for them to store their MAX fleet at BRU since this is their MX base.

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