Transavia to fly from BRU with 2 Boeing 737s in Summer 2020

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Transavia launches flights from Brussels as of next summer! This due to the restrictions In Amsterdam.
Destinations will be announced next week.

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737MAX wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 11:46
Rumors are 3 planes based in BRU, apparently.
That seems not bad! If they fly the holiday destinations for exemple four times a week, they can launch a high number of routes!

Also remember when they wanted to start flights to Munich a few years ago. The flights never launched, or were stopped very fast, don't remember exactly. Hope they will succeed this time!

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It didn't start because of the attacks and they overall did not do well in MUC.

Do we have any info about potential longhaul flights? Rumor SQ is looking at BOS, can they do a SIN-BRU-BOS like they do SIN-FRA-JFK or SIN-MAN-IAH

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lucas wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 11:53
737MAX wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 11:46
Rumors are 3 planes based in BRU, apparently.
That seems not bad! If they fly the holiday destinations for exemple four times a week, they can launch a high number of routes!

Also remember when they wanted to start flights to Munich a few years ago. The flights never launched, or were stopped very fast, don't remember exactly. Hope they will succeed this time!
Great, another one of the low costs setting up shop in BRU, probably to serve the same 10 to 15 leisure routes that are already served multiple times daily right now in summer, many of which/all of them by several airlines even.... :roll:

Do we really need all of this, knowing it knocks away the critical mass to support big and healty home based airlines with route networks beyond just the obvious routes to Malaga, Barcelona, Rome etc?

Just like several cities in Flanders bar new pittabars and nightshops to prevent their highstreets turning into just Pitta Boulevard, BRU must urgently find the right mechanism to attract the kind of airlines that add value beyond just for their own travelers, otherwise all that extra office currently space being developed won't be very valuable in future for them either...

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Inquirer wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:25
Do we really need all of this, knowing it knocks away the critical mass to support big and healty home based airlines with route networks beyond just the obvious routes to Malaga, Barcelona, Rome etc?
Healthy home based airline? Did you miss reboot?

As for Transavia, I wouldn’t underestimate them, look at what they did in Paris, in 10 years time they grew from 3 to 30 aircraft serving a good mix of business and leisure routes.

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And don't forget Transavia is related to KLM, part of the skyteam group. I read on this forum quite some times there should be an alternative to Staralliance where LH is blamed for the absence of new destinations...

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Poiu wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:58
Inquirer wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:25
Do we really need all of this, knowing it knocks away the critical mass to support big and healty home based airlines with route networks beyond just the obvious routes to Malaga, Barcelona, Rome etc?
Healthy home based airline? Did you miss reboot?

As for Transavia, I wouldn’t underestimate them, look at what they did in Paris, in 10 years time they grew from 3 to 30 aircraft serving a good mix of business and leisure routes.
Paris is not really a comparison to BRU for Transavia... xp In France they act as the LCC division of AF like in The Netherlands the LCC division of KLM. That's a very different situation from developing in a new market where your owner is not the dominant player.

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Poiu wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:58
Inquirer wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:25
Do we really need all of this, knowing it knocks away the critical mass to support big and healty home based airlines with route networks beyond just the obvious routes to Malaga, Barcelona, Rome etc?
Healthy home based airline? Did you miss reboot?

As for Transavia, I wouldn’t underestimate them, look at what they did in Paris, in 10 years time they grew from 3 to 30 aircraft serving a good mix of business and leisure routes.
First of all,
jetairfly is also a home based airline with a big network that needs critical mass to support the more remote places, so don't read in my post what isn't written, please.

Secondly,
it's not like transavia is the first foreign competitor at BRU, is't it?
Let's see what routes they announce (if confirmed); my reaction was solely directed towards a positive comment on them hopefully starting to fly on (yet more) holiday routes, something which IMHO is completely useless for the wider ecosystem of BRU.

Thirdly,
isn't Transavia at Paris used By Air France in pretty much the same way as Eurowings is by Lufthansa?
Artificially propped up by taking over much of the unprofitable short/domestic routes of their owner?
As such, the growth figures quoted by you are to be seen in that light too of course; equally noteworthy is now they pulled out of MUC.

Let's hope they DO NOT go for the usual leisure routes, that's my sole point: the route to ZRH for instance could do with a second airlines, more so than a 4th or 5th option to some Spanish holiday destination.
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Poiu wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:58
Inquirer wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 12:25
Do we really need all of this, knowing it knocks away the critical mass to support big and healty home based airlines with route networks beyond just the obvious routes to Malaga, Barcelona, Rome etc?
Healthy home based airline? Did you miss reboot?

As for Transavia, I wouldn’t underestimate them, look at what they did in Paris, in 10 years time they grew from 3 to 30 aircraft serving a good mix of business and leisure routes.
But Paris is one of there home base!!!!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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lumumba wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 13:23
But Paris is one of there home base!!!!
Exactly! If the rumours are true, they are setting up yet another base in Brussels.

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Poiu wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 13:32
lumumba wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 13:23
But Paris is one of there home base!!!!
Exactly! If the rumours are true, they are setting up yet another base in Brussels.
I understand but Paris is also the real base of there parent company it's not that they are new there is a decision from Air France and KLM to do so there are home there that was my point.
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My article is ready for a while but people work so there is no one to work on.

The spokesperson at Transavia said : "We do not set up a base there, but will visit Brussels in our daily rotations of Schiphol and Amsterdam.(...)"
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HV at BRU makes a lot of sense with Thomas Cook bankrupt and SN rebooting. HV already has many Belgian customers at EIN and already works with TUI which will probably grow without Thomas Cook.

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I drove twice to AMS this year to take the much cheaper HV direct flight AMS-BEY. If they start such a flight in BRU, I'll be delighted. ME is abusive in terms of prices and SN sadly isn't looking at BEY. HV serve AMS, ORY and LYS-BEY so it's not impossible.

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BrightCedars wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 08:49
I drove twice to AMS this year to take the much cheaper HV direct flight AMS-BEY. If they start such a flight in BRU, I'll be delighted. ME is abusive in terms of prices and SN sadly isn't looking at BEY. HV serve AMS, ORY and LYS-BEY so it's not impossible.
Exactly my point!
Of course they will test the waters with less challenging destinations, but I hope they will go for less obvious routes should the test be successful. Unfortunately the arrival of HV will won’t help ailing BAir.

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737MAX wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 09:21
[I share the same opinion as Inquirer. That market is already overcrowded. Destinations have not been announced yet, but one can only think they'll start with the most popular ones
Indeed 737MAX, let's see what routes they announce.

I really do hope they go for the less obvious routes like Zurich, Beyruth, or Moscow, because otherwise BRU is really turning itself into a leisure destination airport by taking in all these kind of low end airlines, after which it will complain it can not attract global players from other continents, in part due to a lack of a diversified feed from its home base…

Sadly, Transavia's comments in Dutch news outlets seem to suggest they will simply link BRU with some of their existing holiday destinations served from AMS first, so no real independent base at all. Makes sense from a business perspective of course to use planes which can't be operated from AMS elsewhere throughout part of the day, but it's a bad news for BRU and even worse for those leisure focussed airlines specialised in these kind of flights based at BRU. I wonder why BRU airport thinks there's any need for yet another operator to say Malaga or Alicante? Next to Ryanair, Vueling, Jetair and Brussels Airlines? Really??? :roll:
As 737MAX rightfully says, they're not going to grow the market, just pissing off airlines which have been building their operations at Brussels for a long time...

I remember the fight between Vueling and Ryanair of some years ago, both of which arrived with great growth plans, made life very difficult for each other and untimately ended up with each serving just a handful of (often overlapping) routes which are very close to their comfort zone, pulling out of most/all the more 'challenging' ones: Transavia risks making the route map of BRU even less diverse over time: 5 airlines operating to e.g. AGP and because of that not a single one strong enough to support operations to those places which need a big feeding network first.

It's high time BRU does what many towns and cities in Flanders do in their high street: limit the number of Kebab stores and nightshops, because in my humble view, low cost airlines are exactly that. Nothing wrong with enjoying a pita from time to time and you definitely have to have one or two in your local high street too, but you don't let your entire shopping mile be turned into one giant pita restaurant either! You need banks, an optician, a jewelry, a bakery etc too to make life of those actually living in the city enjoyable.

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737MAX wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 09:21
Jetter wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 00:16
HV at BRU makes a lot of sense with Thomas Cook bankrupt and SN rebooting. HV already has many Belgian customers at EIN and already works with TUI which will probably grow without Thomas Cook.
*competes* with TUI, you mean? :|
No, I meant exactly what I wrote. Many people that book a holiday with TUI fly on a plane of HV as they work together, and they could do that in BRU as well.

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Inquirer wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 11:44
I wonder why BRU airport thinks there's any need for yet another operator to say Malaga or Alicante? Next to Ryanair, Vueling, Jetair and Brussels Airlines? Really??? :roll:
As 737MAX rightfully says, they're not going to grow the market, just pissing off airlines which have been building their operations at Brussels for a long time...
Does BRU really have a say in this? If an airline requests slots, can they be denied based on the destination?

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PttU wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 14:00
Inquirer wrote:
20 Nov 2019, 11:44
I wonder why BRU airport thinks there's any need for yet another operator to say Malaga or Alicante? Next to Ryanair, Vueling, Jetair and Brussels Airlines? Really??? :roll:
As 737MAX rightfully says, they're not going to grow the market, just pissing off airlines which have been building their operations at Brussels for a long time...
Does BRU really have a say in this? If an airline requests slots, can they be denied based on the destination?
BRU has a say in this, of course. Those requests comes in by the slot coordination center. Then a whole investigation starts as a lot of criteria has to be followed. This is a whole procedure.

Certain routes has indeed a high frequency, especially Spain. There is a demand for. For Europe the Spanish destinations are very high ranked bcs Belgians has a second domicile there or bcs of holidays of course.

For the moment, we don't know anything regarding the plans of SN and the flights which they organized for Thomas Cook. Still those people has to be transported.

Don't forget that in a short period, two players felt away (or almost): Thomas Cook who went bankrupt and SN who is in reboot. SN will shrink: shrinking is sinking. Other players will jump into this gap.

Transavia will do this now. They will check for sure how is the market. So they start carefully with known destinations. It might be that they can grow further with totally other destinations. More will be known when SN will drop some destinations. If Wizz air and Transavia can take over some slots or if they will request for those slots, they can.

Regarding Intercontinental flights. Yes, I fully agree, there are certain destinations who are missing, very badly missing. With a shrinking SN it will not help to convince them and this is a shame. You can safe money on many ways but not in making yourself smaller bcs you lose market which others will pick up.
The next season will be more interesting to see who will add more

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