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brusselsairlinesfan
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BrightCedars wrote:
11 Oct 2019, 11:25
Flew OO-SNN in Eurowings colors yesterday evening from CPH to BRU. Crew didn't mention anything and it must be a bit confusing to passengers not in the know to end up in this aircraft. Good flight, as usual with SN.
Btw, is there a plan to repaint this aircraft ?

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 12:42
BrightCedars wrote:
11 Oct 2019, 11:25
Flew OO-SNN in Eurowings colors yesterday evening from CPH to BRU. Crew didn't mention anything and it must be a bit confusing to passengers not in the know to end up in this aircraft. Good flight, as usual with SN.
Btw, is there a plan to repaint this aircraft ?
It is so freshly-painted that it would be easier just to send this a/c to EW and swap it for another one.

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A321Lufthansa wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 16:15
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 12:42
BrightCedars wrote:
11 Oct 2019, 11:25
Flew OO-SNN in Eurowings colors yesterday evening from CPH to BRU. Crew didn't mention anything and it must be a bit confusing to passengers not in the know to end up in this aircraft. Good flight, as usual with SN.
Btw, is there a plan to repaint this aircraft ?
It is so freshly-painted that it would be easier just to send this a/c to EW and swap it for another one.
Is this bird still needed after the Thomas Cook demise? No overcapacity for the A320 fleet? Or are they going to launch new routes like DUB or HEL or increase frequencies on existing ones?

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Brussels Airlines will for sure fly to leisure destinations. As the new Wamos Benelux is taking over 61 shops, they still have to fly those pax. Wamos fleet is too big to do that on their own. So I'm pretty sure that Wamos will take contact with SN to set up a new contract

Regarding other plans with their fleet we have to wait till we see the reboot plan

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Atlantis wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 17:48
Brussels Airlines will for sure fly to leisure destinations. As the new Wamos Benelux is taking over 61 shops, they still have to fly those pax. Wamos fleet is too big to do that on their own. So I'm pretty sure that Wamos will take contact with SN to set up a new contract

Regarding other plans with their fleet we have to wait till we see the reboot plan
Thanks... when will they communicate regarding the reboot plan ?

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BrightCedars wrote:
11 Oct 2019, 11:25
Flew OO-SNN in Eurowings colors yesterday evening from CPH to BRU. Crew didn't mention anything and it must be a bit confusing to passengers not in the know to end up in this aircraft. Good flight, as usual with SN.
Yes, it can be confusing, but as long as the service on board is still typical Brussels Airlines, passengers will not bother too much. What passengers do complain about are the wet leases, crew not able to speak Dutch/French, different on board product, etc.

There is a plan to repaint the OO-SNN and OO-SFB, but this is currently not at the top of the prio list, especially with the long haul operations still being very challenging operationally.

The reboot plan will be announced by the end of November, maybe December. The impact of Wamos taking over Neckermann is not completely clear yet, but at least there is hope that they will take over some Thomas Cook business.

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DeltaWiskey wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 21:21
The impact of Wamos taking over Neckermann is not completely clear yet, but at least there is hope that they will take over some Thomas Cook business.
Wamos have an ultra low cost airline branch, so either SN will have to offer very cheap flights either they will operate the flights themselves by flying W patterns and/or night stopping crew and aircraft in Brussels.

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Poiu wrote:
13 Oct 2019, 04:45
DeltaWiskey wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 21:21
The impact of Wamos taking over Neckermann is not completely clear yet, but at least there is hope that they will take over some Thomas Cook business.
Wamos have an ultra low cost airline branch, so either SN will have to offer very cheap flights either they will operate the flights themselves by flying W patterns and/or night stopping crew and aircraft in Brussels.
The Wamos division in Belgium (Neckermann) will be focusing on selling packages of other tour operators like Pegase etc.
They are, for the moment at least, not having own package deals. Transport is thus offered by an agreement with one of the tour operators. SN commercial department will have a harder time selling their product in the same quantities as before.

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Poiu wrote:
13 Oct 2019, 04:45
DeltaWiskey wrote:
12 Oct 2019, 21:21
The impact of Wamos taking over Neckermann is not completely clear yet, but at least there is hope that they will take over some Thomas Cook business.
Wamos have an ultra low cost airline branch, so either SN will have to offer very cheap flights either they will operate the flights themselves by flying W patterns and/or night stopping crew and aircraft in Brussels.
The only thing I can find about Wamos Air is that they only have widebody aircraft (744 and 332), a little overkill for the markets TC flew through SN, isn't it?

Maybe in time we might see a Wamos aircraft at BRU performing long haul (Caribbean) flights but for most of the flights to the Mediterranean they'd still need a partner, hence the possible continuation of SN.

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Things don't really change at Brussels Airlines... oups sorry... Flemish Airlines !! :roll:

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 3887e3cd91

The only official "internal" language is "strikt nederlands" and nothing else. :?

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Darjeeling wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 07:38
Things don't really change at Brussels Airlines... oups sorry... Flemish Airlines !! :roll:

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 3887e3cd91

The only official "internal" language is "strikt nederlands" and nothing else. :?
That makes sense, as written in the article Brussels airlines and Zaventem are located in Flanders.

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That's bul....t Brussels Airlines official address is in Brussels it's a Belgium Airlines why is this they can forget me!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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So typical of certain Belgians, especially in Brussels: when federalisation suits them, they'll use all of it, as in the case of the Brussels noise regulation. When they find it less convenient, they'll cry murder.

NB the remark about Frau Foerster is quite relevant, though!

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I think they have more important worries than that language issue right now.

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Jetter wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 07:46
Darjeeling wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 07:38
Things don't really change at Brussels Airlines... oups sorry... Flemish Airlines !! :roll:

https://www.lalibre.be/economie/entrepr ... 3887e3cd91

The only official "internal" language is "strikt nederlands" and nothing else. :?
That makes sense, as written in the article Brussels airlines and Zaventem are located in Flanders.
When it mattered (begging money to Wallonia and Brussels for DAT/SN back in november 2001) the use of french was tolerated to explain that we needed to build a new "national flagship carrier" under the ashes of SABENA. ;)
Fact is, like pointed in that article Brussels Airlines is under Flemish stranglehold. I'm sure that french speaking travel agents, french and french speaking travellers and french travel agents (+Quebec ?) should be informed of how the majority of people at SN denigrate anyone daring to speak french. As a friend told me, when you are french-speaking at Brussels Airlines they always have the mean to let you know that you are tolerated and not accepted. :roll:
One day, I should thoroughly explain you how cabin crew are hired and the selection process: 20% of the interview in French, 20% in English, 60% in Flemish. Hence the language skills (English included) are dramatically deteriorating within SN cabin crew community. But the "Flemish Between one-self" spirit has surely improved... ;)
... and I'm not the one frustrated in life (to anticipate any further assumptions).

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lumumba wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 08:26
That's bul....t Brussels Airlines official address is in Brussels it's a Belgium Airlines why is this they can forget me!
B******t. You are not involved in this internal language issue. And you are wrong. The official address is irrelevant for employment matters. What matters, is plaats van tewerkstelling. Location of the employment. And that is B.house, Ringlaan 26, B-1831 Diegem. Diegem is Flemish soil, hence Dutch is the only language to be used for official communication (= related to legislation). Official communication may be done in French, German and/or English too. But allways in Dutch too. Just like Gert Verhulst and Studio 100, Flemish owner of half of Durbuy and Plopsa Coo, has to communicate official stuff to his Flemish staff there in French.

Regarding commercial contacts: legislation is: the use of language is free. And there, Brussels Airlines respects their clients: when they do know the language of their clients, they communicate in that language. When they don't know it, they communicate in one language (EN), in two languages (NL-FR) or in three languages (NL-FR-EN).

Brussels Airport is a different story. 1930 Zaventem. Thus official communication must be done in Dutch only, but the Flemish Parliament has accepted an exception for Brussels Airport. Hence it's in three languages there, order NL-FR-EN. Ad valvas communication is probably in Dutch only.

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No problem but I don't fly with them anymore....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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jan_olieslagers wrote:
15 Oct 2019, 09:54
So typical of certain Belgians, especially in Brussels: when federalisation suits them, they'll use all of it, as in the case of the Brussels noise regulation. When they find it less convenient, they'll cry murder.

NB the remark about Frau Foerster is quite relevant, though!
You make a mistake, it seems to me a logic step not allowed to let take off planes over an area that is a heavily populated....

Anyway this was already much discussed and Flanders proved in the last election that they want to be rid off Belgium and that's exactly what's happening at SN!
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Cool it guys...

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I have to say passenger is right:
By federal law, a company MUST use the official language at the location of the site in its official communication with ALL of its employees overthere, so for their activities at their HQ situated in Diegem, that is indeed Dutch.

On a side note: since many French speaking people in Belgium somehow seem to think there is some sort of linguistic parity in our country, it often comes as a shock to them to see how dominant Dutch has become outside of the political bubble where a strict parity is indeed imposed, but it shouldn't come as a surprise: 60% of Belgian people are Dutch speaking, 70% of our country's economic activity is generated by Dutch speaking people and 80% of Belgian export is from the Dutch speaking part of our country, so obviously Belgium is by all nominative parameters other than the law a perdominantly Dutch speaking country with a significant French speaking minority, just as Switzerland is a predominantly Germanophonic one, also with a French speaking minority.

Much to do about nothing, IMHO.

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