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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by flywithUs » 26 Sep 2019, 14:43

MD-11forever wrote:
26 Sep 2019, 13:11
Brussels Airlines cancels more than 100 flights in October to holiday destinations, thereby also affecting 3500 of its own customers:

https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20190926_04629854
Hello,

Does anyone has an insight about what to expect for november ? I'm supposed to fly to Lanzarote this month...

Regards,

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Yuqu12 » 26 Sep 2019, 14:50

I guess the best advice is wait and see. SN cancels these flights as a precautionary measure because it doesn't know what will happen with TC itself. As long as it isn't clear what happens there, SN may decide to cancel certain flights. But right now, they communicated fairly early that they are going to cancel flights next month. If necessary, I think they'll communicate as soon as they know more for November.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by luchtzak » 26 Sep 2019, 16:03

Brussels Airlines, forced to cancel 105 “Thomas Cook” flights in October, offers 20% discount to sunny holiday destinations

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... tinations/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by HQ_BRU_Lover » 26 Sep 2019, 17:11

Hello,

Does anyone has an insight about what to expect for november ? I'm supposed to fly to Lanzarote this month...

Regards,
I have called the contact centre for my flight leaving 19th October, returning 29th October: they consider Lanzarote as a "popular" destination and will continue flights for the time being.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by flywithUs » 26 Sep 2019, 17:18

HQ_BRU_Lover wrote:
26 Sep 2019, 17:11
Hello,

Does anyone has an insight about what to expect for november ? I'm supposed to fly to Lanzarote this month...

Regards,
I have called the contact centre for my flight leaving 19th October, returning 29th October: they consider Lanzarote as a "popular" destination and will continue flights for the time being.
Thanks for the information ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 27 Sep 2019, 23:48

BrightCedars wrote:
26 Sep 2019, 10:23
I've been contributing in various topics over the past weeks and months and figured a dedicated topic will be more beneficial. The title is provocative but it is my view on the situation and is intended at fostering discussions.
  • SN has had some growth on its existing markets in Africa over the past years. However their network is focused on destinations with some historical link to Belgium or the Francophone world
  • Home competition is strong: Air France-KLM remains strong despite facing some of the challenges listed here
  • Away competition is increasing: Air Senegal, Egyptair, Ethiopian Airlines, Kenya Airways, Royal Air Maroc to name a few
  • Network competition is increasing: Emirates, Qatar Airways, Turkish Airlines are all siphoning Europe-Africa traffic
  • Alliance dynamics are not maximized: No partnership with ET or TK; LH & LX still have own flights
  • Fleet isn't fit for battle: A330-300 is too large to compete on number of destinations and frequency
  • Northerly location of BRU isn't optimal for a hub serving Africa to begin with
Let the debate get started!

PS: Sorry to moderators if posted in wrong forum
My feeling, too, is that SN's African network (which is West & Central Africa only) has been run in a 20th century way. As if the "niche" market was not going to be attacked and was there to stay.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 29 Sep 2019, 11:56

My experience lately with Brussels Airlines is really bad I had no cancellation this year but I took the plane 10 times from Brussels to Africa and for all those flight's it didn't go on time.
It makes the trip so much longer if you compare to my 15 flights I did with Lufthansa all of them departed on time and arrived early!!!!
Please do something.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Kapitein » 29 Sep 2019, 13:02

lumumba wrote:
29 Sep 2019, 11:56
My experience lately with Brussels Airlines is really bad I had no cancellation this year but I took the plane 10 times from Brussels to Africa and for all those flight's it didn't go on time.
It makes the trip so much longer if you compare to my 15 flights I did with Lufthansa all of them departed on time and arrived early!!!!
Please do something.
Can you give me dates and flightnumbers?
Will try to figure out what was wrong.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Airbus330lover » 29 Sep 2019, 14:16

lumumba wrote:
29 Sep 2019, 11:56
My experience lately with Brussels Airlines is really bad I had no cancellation this year but I took the plane 10 times from Brussels to Africa and for all those flight's it didn't go on time.
It makes the trip so much longer if you compare to my 15 flights I did with Lufthansa all of them departed on time and arrived early!!!!
Please do something.
Plus the time to FRA, ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Darjeeling » 29 Sep 2019, 15:59

Some updates I could grab from a relative in the wake of last week's O.R / C.E :

- TC still has a huge debt towards SN, of a few millions of €. Contrary to what was previously said, SN was paid four to five weeks after the flights, like hotels with the stays (up to three months in that case)
- 10% of SN's revenue was coming from the TC deal. Impact on EBIT margin is expected by the end of this fiscal year.
- Flights from october 10th until end of S19 season are still being evaluated flight by flights. Rebooking costs are soaring to many holidays destinations.
- All trainings / upgrades / new TR ... are frozen for a minimum period of six weeks for flight and cabin crew.
- SN's biggest problem is when to "smart-cancel" the flights in order to avoid penalties with its own pax.
- Reboot program will be SN's heaviest social program, many efforts will be demanded, with a very very thin margin for negotiations.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 29 Sep 2019, 20:46

Kapitein wrote:
29 Sep 2019, 13:02
lumumba wrote:
29 Sep 2019, 11:56
My experience lately with Brussels Airlines is really bad I had no cancellation this year but I took the plane 10 times from Brussels to Africa and for all those flight's it didn't go on time.
It makes the trip so much longer if you compare to my 15 flights I did with Lufthansa all of them departed on time and arrived early!!!!
Please do something.
Can you give me dates and flightnumbers?
Will try to figure out what was wrong.
Always to Luanda from January...almost all the flights to Luanda where late!
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Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 29 Sep 2019, 20:57

Airbus330lover wrote:
29 Sep 2019, 14:16
lumumba wrote:
29 Sep 2019, 11:56
My experience lately with Brussels Airlines is really bad I had no cancellation this year but I took the plane 10 times from Brussels to Africa and for all those flight's it didn't go on time.
It makes the trip so much longer if you compare to my 15 flights I did with Lufthansa all of them departed on time and arrived early!!!!
Please do something.
Plus the time to FRA, ?
It's not about me it's about the general service and don't forget in my case on the return flight I have to go true Kinshasa so Frankfurt is also better...
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 01 Oct 2019, 00:00

With all these delays and cancellations, is CF, the "new" CEO doing a good job ?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 01 Oct 2019, 11:00

SN starts to Ljubljana, after Adria démise : https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... ljubljana/
I'm Thibault Lapers, spotter in Belgium for now 3 years, but not yet across the world and a huuuuuge aviation geek ! Join me on Facebook & Twitter @TLspotting

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 01 Oct 2019, 16:39

Would have been too cynical to put this in the "Anomalies in BRU",...

No Jets-in-Bed today.
Quite the contrary : 10 chicks out !

OO-SFs 20191001.png

Even OO-SFZ returned from Mx in DUB this night and operates IAD as a breeze.

And SFP that stayed in bed since the cancellation of SN371 last Thursday is up and running again.
SFW is operating a special SN245 to FNA-ROB, after the cancelled flight yesterday courtesy of SFF who is again healthy and operating DSS today.

A great day for sure.


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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by lumumba » 01 Oct 2019, 17:31

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
01 Oct 2019, 16:39
Would have been too cynical to put this in the "Anomalies in BRU",...

No Jets-in-Bed today.
Quite the contrary : 10 chicks out !


OO-SFs 20191001.png


Even OO-SFZ returned from Mx in DUB this night and operates IAD as a breeze.

And SFP that stayed in bed since the cancellation of SN371 last Thursday is up and running again.
SFW is operating a special SN245 to FNA-ROB, after the cancelled flight yesterday courtesy of SFF who is again healthy and operating DSS today.

A great day for sure.


H.A.
Beautiful....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by cathay belgium » 01 Oct 2019, 17:44

Hi,

For those who still don't understand...
SN is gone, LH is here , they don't call us EW but in fact we're still not going anywhere..
The CEO is German..., LH knows only A32X so stay with this... The Dash and CRJ 's we're whished to leave the fleet so don't expect wise decisions which cost money anytime soon...

Remember SN is just a livery with some nice people around which don't have anything to say...
And guess CS prefer to see sink SN sooner then later with his EW dream being shattered in pieces...

Just my thought...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by ezis_bis » 01 Oct 2019, 17:56

TLspotting wrote:
01 Oct 2019, 11:00
SN starts to Ljubljana, after Adria démise : https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... ljubljana/
Fun fact, but my neighbour in Brussels is Slovenian. (we just chatted about this) Though the schedule BRU-LJU is not great, they're happy with SN jumping in. Second half of 2021 Slovenia has the EU presidency, so this is a mighty important route for them (Presidency preparations are already happening).

Same happened in Estonia with Estonian Air going bust just before the presidency. Lithuania in its time even created its own airline for this purpose, though only SN stuck.

Also, the Slovenes aren't convinced they'll recuperate much of the lost connections quickly..

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by rwandan-flyer » 01 Oct 2019, 18:17

Why you are suprised. Sloviania is not probably a very big market

AF operates only a daily flight, British Airways only a seasonal service (started this year).

KLM, Iberia, Alitalia, Lufthansa don't serve LJU.

It's a also a small country.

Some airline will replace Adria Airways on some routes, but probably most of time by Low Cost airlines.

I guess many people living at the Italian Slovenian boarder go to Venise to fly. Zagreb is located only 140km, from Ljubljana. I guess that many people living at the Croatian Slovenian boarder, go to Zagreb to fly. Both Zagreb and Venise airports attractives areas probably include a part of Slovenia. Both airports are served by Mid East airlines and linked to North America.

It's a little bitte like Bratsilavia with Vienna. No major airlines serve BTS, beacause, Vienna is located only 80km from BTS.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 01 Oct 2019, 18:31

cathay belgium wrote:
01 Oct 2019, 17:44
And guess CS prefer to see sink SN sooner then later with his EW dream being shattered in pieces...

Just my thought...

CXB
Now why would he want that?

You make ot sound like CS is some little, angry, disgruntled man who wants to take revenge on SN for scattering his dream.

CS was wrong with his SN/EW madness, but the man is payed to make money for LHG's shareholders and if he could do so with SN, he will.

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