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Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 10:47
LUFTHANSA announces a re-orientation of Brussels Airlines: closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued.

The best news ever. :D
Finally some common sense.

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Conti764 wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 11:05
Finally some common sense.
I think so too
The construction of LongHaul Brussels inside Star Alliance and integrated in Eurowings was way too complex to be workable. And such a structure can't be lean and efficient.

I think an efficient hybrid carrier in Brussels Airport can do well, plus it mixes two specific audiences; frequent travelling eurocrats and African diaspora, it's quite an interesting mix.

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Would this wise decision not be partly due to the efforts and good work of the German CEO Christina Foerster? After a year and a half, she probably determined that integration was not the best solution for Brussels Airlines and Eurowings.

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It was also the opinion of Bernard Gustin... Remember!

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I’m still a bit sceptic over the news. Everybody gets a hooray mood over this news.

There are pro and cons. And lots of questions.
- european flights maybe eurowings after all.
- long haul only brussels airlines brand.
- what if you dont get break even... (lots of good parts are allready stripped)

And what about eurowings. Its euro... it wont be germany only.

Maybe later this year more answers (or bitter pills after hopefully a disturbance free summer)

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 10:47
LUFTHANSA announces a re-orientation of Brussels Airlines: closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued.

The best news ever. :D
Not to be the party-pooper that brings rain on this sunny day, but...
What if "Brussels Airlines" will indeed remain for the long haul flights, but Eurowings will take over some European Flights, gradually increasing it's foothold at BRU, slowly phasing out the destinations, crew and aircraft of SN?
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
That way "closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued." remains valid, but not necessarily good news for the long term.

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Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 11:45
Would this wise decision not be partly due to the efforts and good work of the German CEO Christina Foerster? After a year and a half, she probably determined that integration was not the best solution for Brussels Airlines and Eurowings.
I think that the Comm dept also listened to the mood in Belgium and relayed the concerns of the Belgians to the LHGroup management. Comm is going both directions!
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Would this wise decision not be partly due to the efforts and good work of the German CEO Christina Foerster?
Partly, perhaps. But I'm sure the powerful influencers at luchtz^h^h^h^h^h aviation24.be contributed at least as much!

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Of course the headlines are focused on the Eurowings integration being called off, but at the same time a 'turn around plan' has been announced for Q3.

This timing is very likely a tactical move to avoid industrial action during the Summer season, in which case I'm sure the plan won't be to the liking of the personnel and unions.

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dev7 wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:27
Of course the headlines are focused on the Eurowings integration being called off, but at the same time a 'turn around plan' has been announced for Q3.

This timing is very likely a tactical move to avoid industrial action during the Summer season, in which case I'm sure the plan won't be to the liking of the personnel and unions.
A turn around plan can also be positive. New aircraft, new routes, extra impulses, etc.

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jan_olieslagers wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:23
Would this wise decision not be partly due to the efforts and good work of the German CEO Christina Foerster?
Partly, perhaps. But I'm sure the powerful influencers at luchtz^h^h^h^h^h aviation24.be contributed at least as much!
Thanks! If you mean this article:

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... f-its-ceo/

I can agree with you. I had a meeting with the Vice President Communication of Brussels Airlines shortly after writing the article, and I can tell you that she listened with attention. She is German and she came to Brussels Airlines from Lufthansa.
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Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:30
dev7 wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:27
Of course the headlines are focused on the Eurowings integration being called off, but at the same time a 'turn around plan' has been announced for Q3.

This timing is very likely a tactical move to avoid industrial action during the Summer season, in which case I'm sure the plan won't be to the liking of the personnel and unions.
A turn around plan can also be positive. New aircraft, new routes, extra impulses, etc.
Why not announce that already then?

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jan_olieslagers wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:23
Would this wise decision not be partly due to the efforts and good work of the German CEO Christina Foerster?
Partly, perhaps. But I'm sure the powerful influencers at luchtz^h^h^h^h^h aviation24.be contributed at least as much!
Why oh why thede childish remarks?

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PttU wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:15
Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 10:47
LUFTHANSA announces a re-orientation of Brussels Airlines: closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued.

The best news ever. :D
Not to be the party-pooper that brings rain on this sunny day, but...
What if "Brussels Airlines" will indeed remain for the long haul flights, but Eurowings will take over some European Flights, gradually increasing it's foothold at BRU, slowly phasing out the destinations, crew and aircraft of SN?
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
That way "closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued." remains valid, but not necessarily good news for the long term.
It seems fairly logical to me to shift (a part of) the leisure flying and p2p heavy destinations to EW.

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PttU wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:15
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
I think that bringing *all* short haul flights still under EW would bring us back to the issue we have now (rather complicated operations for EW), plus you downgrade the service on some routes with lots of frequent travellers (TXL, HAM). There are quite some connecting passengers here .
This is contrary to what LH seems to say today; focus more on the point to point in the home markets, and allign SN more with Network carriers.

What I can see happen though, are indeed the 100% tourism flights indeed becoming EW. I see some sense in that.
Even though, the Eurowings Short Haul presentation of today completely omits Belgium in this respect, so here again I don't think it is what they have in mind (at the moment, maybe they change their mind again).

Now, maybe thinking about the costs (and where to cut) at SN maybe isn't a bad idea either. There are quite some old gas guzzlers buzzing around, sadly.

https://investor-relations.lufthansagro ... ations.pdf

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What a relief really a great day today.. :D :D :D
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Green union LBC - CNE: "The identity and the specificity of Brussels Airlines are recognized by the LH group mangagement. Brussels Airlines will look for optimizations and savings and look at synergies within the Lufthansa Group.

We will be a regular airline carrier again: still fighting low cost and optimize our Long-Haul network."

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PttU wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 12:15
Boeing767copilot wrote:
24 Jun 2019, 10:47
LUFTHANSA announces a re-orientation of Brussels Airlines: closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued.

The best news ever. :D
Not to be the party-pooper that brings rain on this sunny day, but...
What if "Brussels Airlines" will indeed remain for the long haul flights, but Eurowings will take over some European Flights, gradually increasing it's foothold at BRU, slowly phasing out the destinations, crew and aircraft of SN?
What if Eurowings for instance takes over the flights to and from HAM, TXL,... as Eurowings has a strong German base?
What if Eurowings takes over the flights to Heraklion, Marsa Alam, or other ex-TC-destinations, as those are clearly point-to-point? SN can still codeshare on these flights, but it would still match with "focus on A320" and point-to-point, and add some brand recognition for Eurowings in Brussels.
That way "closer alignment with Network Airlines; integration into Eurowings will not be further pursued." remains valid, but not necessarily good news for the long term.
When going through the Capital Markets Day presentations (https://investor-relations.lufthansagro ... ations.pdf, no visual sign of Brussels, so anything is still possible ...
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