Brussels Airlines in 2019

[brusselsairlinesfan]

I refused to believe it before seeing this pic. I did immediatly cancel my next to HER on SN... in favor of AF from CDG!

So you want us to believe that you still had some SN flights booked after all your anti Brussels Airlines posts from the last weeks and months? Strange.

By the way: cancellation costs for BRU-HER: 100% ? Or perhaps you only book fully-refundable Business Class...

Dear Passenger,
Not fair... indeed it was my last booking. Cancellation costs matter but in other hand, I will save the costs related to my usual road trip from Paris to BRU and the overnight and parking costs at BRU...

[brusselsairlinesfan]

Weeping realistic words... I would say exactly the same.
I refused to believe it before seeing this pic. I did immediatly cancel my next to HER on SN... in favor of AF from CDG!

So instead of flying from BRU with people still working for Brussels Airlines but with a chance to be in a Eurowings livery plane, you cancel your booking in favor of... Paris????

Err..., brusselsairlinesfan lives in Paris. He was going out of his way to fly SN!

Exactly, I do live in Paris. I used to fly the CDG-BRU leg when connecting to a SN long haul destination in the US (I do remember the inaugural JFK flight with nostalgia) or AFI (Eg : DKR).
However as the CDG-BRU flights are only opened to PAX flying long-haul, I used to drive from Paris to BRU just for the pleasure to catch an SN flight when flying on their european network... you might find it stupid but yes, I guess I was a true loyal fan!
Being an « ultra «  since the SABENA times back in the end 90’s, and pleased to see the revival under the Gustin era, please allow me to feel some pain because of the belgian heritage and identity destroyed like this...

[jerry]

SN's lounge is not filled with AV geeks only . Passengers using future EW feeder flights to/from BRU may appreciate the lounge, just as business travellers will appreciate the priority checkin/security/boarding. It may be a factor, so with jerry I am curious what direction they will be moving in.

Don’t read what I didn’t write!
Off course people appreciate the lounge, the question however is will they change their travel plans and increase travel time because lounge access is not available?

I guess they should have their own numbers, about the # of people that are using the lounge (on a C ticket, on a M&M status or other *A status) and they are taking them into account for the transition (since only the last category will be affected).

The connecting issue (from long-haul-excellent SN to short-haul-mediocre-EW) could be solved by seeing EW as a connecting partner (aka ThaiSmile etc.).

As Poiu wrote, I am afraid that people like me (or SkyTourist) will be the last ones in the "queue". Personally, I live in (dutch) Limburg, so i have the options of EIN, BRU, DUS, CGN (even AMS). As a *A gold, I am opting for a flight that gives me the perks if the price is reasonable, otherwise I just go for the cheapest option. But to be honest, I have never taken a EW flight from CGN or DUS because they are expensive! (and i have taken FR, DY, W6, HV though).

[Poiu]

Poiu, can you please explain this : "The ones who travel to Turkey to fly four domnestic C sectors to obtain M&M Gold status". Unless the rules have changed recently, you need 100,000 qualifying miles in one year to get M&M Gold (Senator) status !

Turkish had a 5 times miles promotion last year which made it quite easy to obtain elite status, once your are you, by memory (!), only need 45000 miles every two years to retain status.

[sn26567]

Question :

When will the new EW/SN entity leave Star Alliance? We all know Eurowings is totally separated from Star...

I have heard in 2022 at the latest, but how will they proceed if the SN brands survive for the long-haul? That must be a headache.

I tend to say that North Atlantic and AFI flights will be "Eurowings operated by Brussels Airlines" for pure marketing purposes... but out of Star Alliance.

I asked the question to SN. Answer from their spokeswoman: "As for Star Alliance, no change is currently in sight for Brussels Airlines and its Star Alliance membership, so no change for our passengers."

[CTBke]

Question :

When will the new EW/SN entity leave Star Alliance? We all know Eurowings is totally separated from Star...

I have heard in 2022 at the latest, but how will they proceed if the SN brands survive for the long-haul? That must be a headache.

I tend to say that North Atlantic and AFI flights will be "Eurowings operated by Brussels Airlines" for pure marketing purposes... but out of Star Alliance.

I asked the question to SN. Answer from their spokeswoman: "As for Star Alliance, no change is currently in sight for Brussels Airlines and its Star Alliance membership, so no change for our passengers."

Off course , they're still debating on how to create Eurowings Belgium in 2020, it's not because there's one A320 painted in EW colors , the ID will change completely. The Germans knew from the start it would become complicated as you can't just put any other brand in Africa. It took years before they accepted it was Brussels Airlines and no longer SN Brussels Airlines. on the other side they also are aware a lot of AFI guests are transferring from everywhere in Europe so to keep this traffic they'll need to be inventive to allow guests to connect from EW flights onto SN long haul flights which isn't easy and same goes for star alliance. And if they leave star alliance you'll still be able to earn miles as on Eurowings this is possible as well still (they recognize HON/SEN/GOLD etc) they can still keep strategic code share agreements with important airliners but time will tell how that'll be ...

[AvGeek]

A sight we might never see... A Boeing 787 Dreamliner with the Brussels Airlines livery...
Received in Brussels Airport newsletter.

[sn26567]

Jan Smets, former governor of the National Bank of Belgium, joins the Board of SN Air Holding.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... irholding/

The latest press release of Brussels Airlines does not tell everything:

• Jan Smets replaces another Belgian Director, Emmanuel Van Innis. SN could at least have explained why the latter has been replaced.
• Etienne Davignon is 86 and will retire at the end of 2019. Jan Smets will succeed him as Co-Chairman of the Board.
• All the decisions are taken by Lufthansa. More and more Belgian managers are leaving Brussels Airlines where they don't have any future. Most of the management positions are now in the hands of Germans.
• There is a strong antagonism between the Belgians, who want to see Brussels Airlines as a hub airline, and the Germans who want to integrate it into point-to-point Eurowings.
• Brussels Airlines is expected to be still in red figures for the first 6 months of 2019

Let's hope that Jan Smets will strongly defend the Belgian point of view at the Board.

[SLM]

Aircraft : airbus 320/ 00-SNN Eurowings for Brussels Airlines. When will be the 00-SNN come into service? Destination? Many thanks!

[luchtzak]

Aircraft : airbus 320/ 00-SNN Eurowings for Brussels Airlines. When will be the 00-SNN come into service? Destination? Many thanks!

As of 15 June, Brussels Airlines cabin and cockpit crew will operate the aircraft. Which is equipped with 180 seats in Laudamotion style.

Source: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... gs-livery/

[Atlantis]

Question :

When will the new EW/SN entity leave Star Alliance? We all know Eurowings is totally separated from Star...

I have heard in 2022 at the latest, but how will they proceed if the SN brands survive for the long-haul? That must be a headache.

I tend to say that North Atlantic and AFI flights will be "Eurowings operated by Brussels Airlines" for pure marketing purposes... but out of Star Alliance.

I asked the question to SN. Answer from their spokeswoman: "As for Star Alliance, no change is currently in sight for Brussels Airlines and its Star Alliance membership, so no change for our passengers."

I can tell you that this week, when I booked my ticket to Milan, there was no possibility anymore to select SN Star Alliance. The only ones who were visible were LH, SX, OS, LOT and some other possibilities.

A few weeks ago, when I was flying back to Belgium, it was still possible.

Something changed already?

[sn26567]

I can tell you that this week, when I booked my ticket to Milan, there was no possibility anymore to select SN Star Alliance. The only ones who were visible were LH, SX, OS, LOT and some other possibilities.

A few weeks ago, when I was flying back to Belgium, it was still possible.

Something changed already?

Really?

Here I find flights with SN, LH and LX:

http://booking.staralliance.com/en-GB/f ... 2019-06-11

[Atlantis]

Hi Andre,

Maybe I was not clear enough in my message. I mean that during my booking I could not select anymore my M&M membership of SN. Only LH, LX, OS, LOT was possible in M&M. So I chose this one of LH.
A week ago, when I was taking an other flight to BRU, it was still possible to chose M&M SN.

That's why I'm wondering if SN is still in the program

[CRJ 900]

Flew EW to STR last week. My M&M nr of SN was noted at the check-in at SN. Received my miles nicely 7 days later.
Everything went smoothly.
Although you need to mention M&M explicitely. Not automaticly anymore.

[Jetter]

[*]Brussels Airlines is expected to be still in red figures for the first 6 months of 2019

So no new planes then.

[nordikcam]

[*]Brussels Airlines is expected to be still in red figures for the first 6 months of 2019

So no new planes then.

Maybe positive figures @ the end of december...

[TLspotting]

Brussels Airlines’ lounge THE LOFT at Brussels Airport named “Europe’s Leading Airport Lounge 2019”

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... unge-2019/

[Sai]

"Extra economization on its way at Brussels Airlines"

according to this article on hln.be (in dutch);
For the moment employment would be guaranteed until 2021 if the CAO is respected...but savings need to be realised.

[Sai]

"Brussels Airlines trade union critical of Lufthansa plans"

More detailed elaborate article on tijd.be (in dutch).

[sn26567]

brussels airlines schedules Tomorrowland A330 charter in mid-July 2019

brussels airlines next month once again schedules Tomorrowland charter flight, operating on Brussels – Frankfurt route. Like previous years, the Tomorrowland charter for Frankfurt will be operated by Airbus A330-300 aircraft, scheduled on 18JUL19 for 2019.

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SN1807 BRU0830 – 0945FRA 333 18JUL19
SN1808 FRA1205 – 1320BRU 333 18JUL19

Source: Routes Online