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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Passenger » 10 May 2019, 21:15

Amazing stuff going on here: "SN has become EW". We call it "massahysterie".

Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Airbus330lover » 10 May 2019, 21:27

sn26567 wrote:
10 May 2019, 16:06
It might be true that Brussels Airlines is not well known in some European countries. Maybe the airline should have kept the name Sabena for that matter. But is the name Eurowings better known outside of Germany, and now Austria? And where it is known, it has a bad reputation after the numerous delays and cancellations of last year.

Thus, in my opinion, a name change would be a fatal mistake.
And.... a lot of people are confusing Eurowings and Germanwings.... Bad choice

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 10 May 2019, 22:14

Poiu wrote:
10 May 2019, 20:44
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
10 May 2019, 19:57
Belgium has lost its home carrier... and this sounds very bad for this country that I love !
I will myself focus on Skyteam or Oneworld airlines...
Thank you SN and crews for all these superb flights on your beautiful wings and for all the extra smiles... you were so unique and a pround ambassador of Belgium. You deserved a lot more! Good luck and respect to all... Adieu!
Are Skyteam and Oneworld more Belgian than the Belgian branch of Eurowings?
Btw, I was born in Paris and I am French... with belgian origins... I just LOVE Belgium and all its représentants, culture, cities and landscape, symboles, surréalism etc... As an aviation fan, I am very sad to see all this rich history fooled...
Old lady SABENA is dead, daughter brussels airlines also... no flag carrier anymore, that’s It!

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by ezis_bis » 10 May 2019, 23:54

nordikcam wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:00
Exactly! A little nuance, my job pays...that's true but I also pay some travel. In fact with EW we enter a category that I call "subcategory" with zero service when there is a problem
I thought for a second I was the Nordic 'rich bitch' here.
But nonetheless.
Yes, that's how this works.
EW, I am not going to pay for it. I'm not going to ask my job to book these tickets. And look at Nordicam's flights, this is a Nice business there. Up to LH if they want it (SN) or not (EW)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Poiu » 11 May 2019, 00:12

Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Amazing stuff going on here: "SN has become EW". We call it "massahysterie".

Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
SN is becoming EW, slowly but certainly, your best friend young Sean predicted it here a long time ago.
The aircraft will only change livery when the next paint job is due and that may well be in 5 years or more.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by ezis_bis » 11 May 2019, 10:57

Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Amazing stuff going on here: "SN has become EW". We call it "massahysterie".

Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).
I don't quite agree with this
If you're indeed committed to this airline, why would you invest to paint the next plane in another airline's colours? Also for 5 years
If you need to repaint it, repaint it in the right colours.
Plus, the A330 already flying in EW colours.

They're not doing this for fun, there's an idea behind it; SN will stop.
Or, possibly, after summer this plane will fly for EW? But now I fear I'm being naive.

And those beautiful but rare specially painted planes will be oddballs, they will stand out in SN's fleet, or stand out in EW's fleet.

I would argue it are the regular planes which show us where this is going.
If SN only gets special liveries, and EW liveries, the EW will be the standard one.
And, as I see it, SN will beturned into EW in service, alliance and name. Sadly
Also for the connections offered at BRU

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Traveler » 11 May 2019, 11:47

I really don't understand their policy.

They want one brand name to develop an European low-cost company and for this they want to integrate Brussels Airlines and change its name to Eurowings.

But what they are doing now is changing Brussels Airlines in basicly two companies. Brussels Airlines (the special livery proves they won't get rid of the name in the next 5 years) and Eurowings (proven by the Eurowings livery and the longhaul EW planes).This means they are also changing Eurowings as flying some Eurowings planes allow you to save Miles and others don't. This is very confusing to me, just choose what you want and implement it. They integrated more than 70 Air Berlin planes in a year, so I don't believe that they could not do this with Brussels Airlines. It seems they don't know what to do, and try to do it slowly and see what the success is. Very inefficient in my opinion.

P.S. I do not support the name change into Eurowings.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by CTBke » 11 May 2019, 12:02

Traveler wrote:
11 May 2019, 11:47
I really don't understand their policy.

They want one brand name to develop an European low-cost company and for this they want to integrate Brussels Airlines and change its name to Eurowings.

But what they are doing now is changing Brussels Airlines in basicly two companies. Brussels Airlines (the special livery proves they won't get rid of the name in the next 5 years) and Eurowings (proven by the Eurowings livery and the longhaul EW planes).This means they are also changing Eurowings as flying some Eurowings planes allow you to save Miles and others don't. This is very confusing to me, just choose what you want and implement it. They integrated more than 70 Air Berlin planes in a year, so I don't believe that they could not do this with Brussels Airlines. It seems they don't know what to do, and try to do it slowly and see what the success is. Very inefficient in my opinion.

P.S. I do not support the name change into Eurowings.
It all depends what contract they have with all 6 companies, and that's something which is internal between Brussels Airlines and the various companies. they could easily replace the Brussels airlines by Eurowings as it's a very hybrid livery ... If you look at Eurowings' special liveries it shows all logos in white or whatever color and that's it :-)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Darjeeling » 11 May 2019, 12:09

Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Amazing stuff going on here: "SN has become EW". We call it "massahysterie".

Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
I wonder why you are all so surprised... SN has always and will always be "Chipoteurs Airlines" or SN Brol Airlines as it used to be called before the VEX merger.

No clear business model, no growth, no expansion, no ambitions... But indeed so "Belgian" (or Flemish to be more precise..., "Belgitude" is a screen they like to hide behind for marketing purposes - I guarantee you you can be hired at SN without any french knowledge or skill).

Look at the fleet they have, it's all second/third hand frames, not a single one is coming straight from the factory: do you know any European flagship carrier in that situation ? No more Star Alliance planes for years (it was already a sign), all "new" destinations are Neckerman/TC driven and mostly charters destinations highlighted by P.R stunts.

They're now reduced to issue a press release when a Dakar or Banjul flight is becoming "non-stop"...
I don't talk about Africa where they have been overtaken by numerous carriers over the last ten years (I remember SN "managers" telling us that TK would never succeed in Africa as they had no operational experience there, no background and no understanding of the African needs...).

The icons A320s are just bones thrown by Lufthansa via Eurowings.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 11 May 2019, 14:39

Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
I'm Thibault Lapers, spotter in Belgium for now 3 years, but not yet across the world and a huuuuuge aviation geek ! Join me on Facebook & Twitter @TLspotting

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by CTBke » 11 May 2019, 14:43

TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:39
Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 11 May 2019, 15:15

CTBke wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:43
TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:39
Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
Thibault is not feeling well at the moment, thank you!
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Jetter » 11 May 2019, 16:09

Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
They care so much about the special livery's that they fly the Red Devils plane from France to Greece. :lol: Those are just a way to keep the illusion of SN with a Belgian identity alive, nothing more.

What LH is doing is gradually transforming SN into Eurowings; they take it easy as to not upset the Belgians too much. SN is LH's frog: if it is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 11 May 2019, 16:50

TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 15:15
CTBke wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:43
TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:39
Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
Thibault is not feeling well at the moment, thank you!
How can we book these flights?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by CTBke » 11 May 2019, 16:55

brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
11 May 2019, 16:50
TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 15:15
CTBke wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:43


This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
Thibault is not feeling well at the moment, thank you!
How can we book these flights?
through a travel agency .. those are charter flights like the ones out of BRU for touroperators ;)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Conti764 » 11 May 2019, 17:02

Poiu wrote:
10 May 2019, 20:44
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
10 May 2019, 19:57
Belgium has lost its home carrier... and this sounds very bad for this country that I love !
I will myself focus on Skyteam or Oneworld airlines...
Thank you SN and crews for all these superb flights on your beautiful wings and for all the extra smiles... you were so unique and a pround ambassador of Belgium. You deserved a lot more! Good luck and respect to all... Adieu!
Are Skyteam and Oneworld more Belgian than the Belgian branch of Eurowings?
Same aircraft, same crew and in economy same service (Bizz is almost empty on European flights anyhow) where is the problem?
Our friend Nordic can afford to be picky because he is travelling BizzClass and probably not even paying for it himself. Joe public will just fly the cheapest option, just as he is doing now whatever the name on the aircraft. Figures at SN are not great for the moment and I am sure they will be used for another round of EW bashing soon, however the only possible future for SN is EW whether you like it or not!
True. SN figures are 'not great'. At EW however, they are disastrous. The future of SN might be with EW, but it's a bleak future. With SN entirely under the EW umbrella or even no SN anymore, a bankruptcy of EW will once again mean the end of Belgiums flag carrier.

EW going belly up, Spohr being ousted for his fetish airline being a failure, you name it. It will all mean the end for SN in any form.

The future of SN should be within the LH Group, together with LH, LX and OS.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Conti764 » 11 May 2019, 17:08

Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Amazing stuff going on here: "SN has become EW". We call it "massahysterie".

Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
What's the difference between 'Brussels Airlines flies you to the home of...' or 'Eurowings flies you to the home of...'?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Conti764 » 11 May 2019, 17:51

Jetter wrote:
11 May 2019, 16:09
Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
They care so much about the special livery's that they fly the Red Devils plane from France to Greece. :lol: Those are just a way to keep the illusion of SN with a Belgian identity alive, nothing more.

What LH is doing is gradually transforming SN into Eurowings; they take it easy as to not upset the Belgians too much. SN is LH's frog: if it is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.
I don't think the average Belgian cares about what livery is on the plane. It's not like we're known for our chauvenist sentiments.

The consequences it will have on SN/EW in Belgium and BRU are much worse. Without *A rewards, connecting through BRU on SN becomes obsolete for those key operations of SN, notably Africa.

BRU better waits with putting the first spade in the ground for A-pier West.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 11 May 2019, 18:17

When the Bruegel livery was revealed, SN CEO Christina Foerster made a speech in which she insisted on Brussels Airlines representing the spirit of Belgium and promoting it abroad. And she really seemed to believe in the words she was saying. Was it just a circumstantial speech or is she a true believer in Belgian values?

I think that, like many Germans before her (like former chief marketing officer Lars Redeligx) she has caught the Belgian virus. But she reports to Thorsten Dirks, himself a subordinate of Carsten Spohr. She has not free hands....
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 11 May 2019, 19:33

sn26567 wrote:
11 May 2019, 18:17
When the Bruegel livery was revealed, SN CEO Christina Foerster made a speech in which she insisted on Brussels Airlines representing the spirit of Belgium and promoting it abroad. And she really seemed to believe in the words she was saying. Was it just a circumstantial speech or is she a true believer in Belgian values?

I think that, like many Germans before her (like former chief marketing officer Lars Redeligx) she has caught the Belgian virus. But she reports to Thorsten Dirks, himself a subordinate of Carsten Spohr. She has not free hands....
Christina Foerster is a professional. She knows what to say, when to say it and, more importantly, how to say it.

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