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Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
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TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:39
Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
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CTBke wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:43
TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:39
Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
Thibault is not feeling well at the moment, thank you!
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Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
They care so much about the special livery's that they fly the Red Devils plane from France to Greece. :lol: Those are just a way to keep the illusion of SN with a Belgian identity alive, nothing more.

What LH is doing is gradually transforming SN into Eurowings; they take it easy as to not upset the Belgians too much. SN is LH's frog: if it is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.

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TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 15:15
CTBke wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:43
TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:39
Brussels Airlines summer charter from Paris CDG to Heraklion, at least 21 return flights :

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... heraklion/

SN1003 CDG – HER 12:00 – 16:30 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019

SN1004 HER – CDG 17:45 – 20:15 -----6- A320 11/05/2019 – 26/10/2019
This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
Thibault is not feeling well at the moment, thank you!
How can we book these flights?

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
11 May 2019, 16:50
TLspotting wrote:
11 May 2019, 15:15
CTBke wrote:
11 May 2019, 14:43


This rotation already started a month ago 13/04 (according to FR24)
Thibault is not feeling well at the moment, thank you!
How can we book these flights?
through a travel agency .. those are charter flights like the ones out of BRU for touroperators ;)
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Poiu wrote:
10 May 2019, 20:44
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
10 May 2019, 19:57
Belgium has lost its home carrier... and this sounds very bad for this country that I love !
I will myself focus on Skyteam or Oneworld airlines...
Thank you SN and crews for all these superb flights on your beautiful wings and for all the extra smiles... you were so unique and a pround ambassador of Belgium. You deserved a lot more! Good luck and respect to all... Adieu!
Are Skyteam and Oneworld more Belgian than the Belgian branch of Eurowings?
Same aircraft, same crew and in economy same service (Bizz is almost empty on European flights anyhow) where is the problem?
Our friend Nordic can afford to be picky because he is travelling BizzClass and probably not even paying for it himself. Joe public will just fly the cheapest option, just as he is doing now whatever the name on the aircraft. Figures at SN are not great for the moment and I am sure they will be used for another round of EW bashing soon, however the only possible future for SN is EW whether you like it or not!
True. SN figures are 'not great'. At EW however, they are disastrous. The future of SN might be with EW, but it's a bleak future. With SN entirely under the EW umbrella or even no SN anymore, a bankruptcy of EW will once again mean the end of Belgiums flag carrier.

EW going belly up, Spohr being ousted for his fetish airline being a failure, you name it. It will all mean the end for SN in any form.

The future of SN should be within the LH Group, together with LH, LX and OS.

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Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Amazing stuff going on here: "SN has become EW". We call it "massahysterie".

Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
What's the difference between 'Brussels Airlines flies you to the home of...' or 'Eurowings flies you to the home of...'?

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Jetter wrote:
11 May 2019, 16:09
Passenger wrote:
10 May 2019, 21:15
Just one proof of the contrary: the Bruegel aircraft (OO-SNE). That A320 can't go to the paint shop in Malta or Hamburg next week to get Eurowings colours. It's part of a five year commercial contract, signed between Christina Foerster on behalf of Brussels Airlines nv/sa and Peter De Wilde on behalf of IVA Toerisme Vlaanderen / Visit Flanders (IVA = Intern Verzelfstandigd Agentschap).

Same principle applies for the other five Icons aircraft: they are all medium term investments from Brussels Airlines, and there is no way that they will get Eurowings livery.
They care so much about the special livery's that they fly the Red Devils plane from France to Greece. :lol: Those are just a way to keep the illusion of SN with a Belgian identity alive, nothing more.

What LH is doing is gradually transforming SN into Eurowings; they take it easy as to not upset the Belgians too much. SN is LH's frog: if it is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death.
I don't think the average Belgian cares about what livery is on the plane. It's not like we're known for our chauvenist sentiments.

The consequences it will have on SN/EW in Belgium and BRU are much worse. Without *A rewards, connecting through BRU on SN becomes obsolete for those key operations of SN, notably Africa.

BRU better waits with putting the first spade in the ground for A-pier West.

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When the Bruegel livery was revealed, SN CEO Christina Foerster made a speech in which she insisted on Brussels Airlines representing the spirit of Belgium and promoting it abroad. And she really seemed to believe in the words she was saying. Was it just a circumstantial speech or is she a true believer in Belgian values?

I think that, like many Germans before her (like former chief marketing officer Lars Redeligx) she has caught the Belgian virus. But she reports to Thorsten Dirks, himself a subordinate of Carsten Spohr. She has not free hands....
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sn26567 wrote:
11 May 2019, 18:17
When the Bruegel livery was revealed, SN CEO Christina Foerster made a speech in which she insisted on Brussels Airlines representing the spirit of Belgium and promoting it abroad. And she really seemed to believe in the words she was saying. Was it just a circumstantial speech or is she a true believer in Belgian values?

I think that, like many Germans before her (like former chief marketing officer Lars Redeligx) she has caught the Belgian virus. But she reports to Thorsten Dirks, himself a subordinate of Carsten Spohr. She has not free hands....
Christina Foerster is a professional. She knows what to say, when to say it and, more importantly, how to say it.

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Conti764 wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:33
sn26567 wrote:
11 May 2019, 18:17
When the Bruegel livery was revealed, SN CEO Christina Foerster made a speech in which she insisted on Brussels Airlines representing the spirit of Belgium and promoting it abroad. And she really seemed to believe in the words she was saying. Was it just a circumstantial speech or is she a true believer in Belgian values?

I think that, like many Germans before her (like former chief marketing officer Lars Redeligx) she has caught the Belgian virus. But she reports to Thorsten Dirks, himself a subordinate of Carsten Spohr. She has not free hands....
Christina Foerster is a professional. She knows what to say, when to say it and, more importantly, how to say it.
Exactly... to me, her mission is to (dis)integrate SN into EW. The last « réal » SN CEO to me was Bernard GUSTIN who left because he was opposed to this doomed to fail strategy...

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Ansett wrote:
12 May 2019, 17:09
I don't want to sound like a prophet of doom, but imho, no decision has yet been made on what will happen to the flights (aircraft and brand) to Africa, because if CS does not manage to get EW (including SN's European operations) out of the red, he will also integrate Brussels Airlines (brand) and Africa flights into EW to reduce EW losses or even to be able to claim that EW in now profitable.
What does that even mean? xp The EW consolidated figures already include ALL figures of al divisions the compose Eurowings Group, including all of Brussels Airlines, irrespective of brand.

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brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
12 May 2019, 00:31
Conti764 wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:33
Christina Foerster is a professional. She knows what to say, when to say it and, more importantly, how to say it.
Exactly... to me, her mission is to (dis)integrate SN into EW.
Will they integrate into or disintegrate from? Just let us know once you have made up your mind please.

Me thinks integration is 100% obvious, business wise. After all, Lufthansa has bought an airline that isn't very profitable now, but could be profitable when some double positions are cut. Why would Lufthansa need two persons (one for SN, one for EW) if one person can do the job?

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Passenger wrote:
12 May 2019, 19:19
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
12 May 2019, 00:31
Conti764 wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:33
Christina Foerster is a professional. She knows what to say, when to say it and, more importantly, how to say it.
Exactly... to me, her mission is to (dis)integrate SN into EW.
Will they integrate into or disintegrate from? Just let us know once you have made up your mind please.

Me thinks integration is 100% obvious, business wise. After all, Lufthansa has bought an airline that isn't very profitable now, but could be profitable when some double positions are cut. Why would Lufthansa need two persons (one for SN, one for EW) if one person can do the job?
Maybe SN wasn't very profitable, but EW isn't profitable at all. And in that light it's unfair that SN goes down the drain together with EW if the latter goes belly up or CS is forced to axe his pet project.

Belgium may not be Switzerland, but Brussels isn't a third world city either nor is BRU a shitty third tier airport. Give SN the incentives to grow and they'll grow into stable profitability. Lending them money to cover for losses but not helping them acquire more fuel efficient aircraft for 9-10 years and then stating they're not making enough money is cynical.

Maybe Mayrhuber had other (better) plans with SN back in 2009, but Spohr only took over SN (for a bargain) to fence off its backyard, not allowing BRU to grow so they wouldn't steal away (some) pax from LHG hubs. Have SN flying around to some African cities but don't let BRU grow into a viable *A-hub and reduce the airport to an extra large CRL airort, a lowcost airport with only point to point-flying.

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^^ Hear, hear! Excellent analysis of the current situation.

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Conti764 wrote:
12 May 2019, 23:39
Belgium may not be Switzerland, but Brussels isn't a third world city
Brussels-North railway station makes Brussels look like a third world city though. :cry:

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Jetter wrote:
13 May 2019, 16:26
Conti764 wrote:
12 May 2019, 23:39
Belgium may not be Switzerland, but Brussels isn't a third world city
Brussels-North railway station makes Brussels look like a third world city though. :cry:
How many planes land at Brussels North? ;)
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Conti764 wrote:
12 May 2019, 23:39
Maybe SN wasn't very profitable, but EW isn't profitable at all. And in that light it's unfair that SN goes down the drain together with EW if the latter goes belly up or CS is forced to axe his pet project.
No need to add “maybe”, when you have seen their annual account.

Conti764 wrote:
12 May 2019, 23:39
Give SN the incentives to grow and they'll grow into stable profitability. Lending them money to cover for losses but not helping them acquire more fuel efficient aircraft for 9-10 years and then stating they're not making enough money is cynical.
Why has a German company to be that Belgian-chauvinistic, when the Belgians themselves rejected a plea from one their captains of industry?

Conti764 wrote:
12 May 2019, 23:39
Maybe Mayrhuber had other (better) plans with SN back in 2009, but Spohr only took over SN (for a bargain) to fence off its backyard, not allowing BRU to grow so they wouldn't steal away (some) pax from LHG hubs. Have SN flying around to some African cities but don't let BRU grow into a viable *A-hub and reduce the airport to an extra large CRL airport, a lowcost airport with only point to point flying.
Another one of those analysis, based upon “Spohr thinks, Spohr intends, Spohr wants, Spohr plans”.
Facts please. It’s not because a lot of SN-LH-bashers repeat and confirm your assumptions, that they are true.

Brussels Airlines is allowed to open any new route, when they think that there will be enough traffic and yield. Lufthansa owns Brussels Airlines, so when Brussels Airlines makes profit, that's in the interest of Lufthansa too. But when Brussels Airlines fills an A332 to Johannesburg with just 100 pax, it's better for Lufthansa that just 10% of those 100 pax fly LH via FRA.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

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The unimaginable has happened.
Not. I and others have been warning for a decade about this, but the likes of Passenger were running the PR for the German team.

Brussels Airlines is being merged into EW.
The question is, what will happen when LH decides to dump EW. Because EW has never been profitable and may go from disaster to worse, resulting in its shutdown or serious downsizing.
I don't see the BRU station or "base" surviving with more than 20 aircraft within 3 years.

Good luck to the SN staff.
Does anyone know if Tolipanebas is still flying for SN? I would like to stick it to him.

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