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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Passenger » 08 May 2019, 18:14

Boavida wrote:
08 May 2019, 16:15
I could see a parallel with how they were never bothered by our existence during particular events in the 20th century, but I won't...
Actually, you did.
Boavida wrote:
08 May 2019, 16:15
Funny detail, if we compare Belgium to Switzerland and Austria: Belgium is (population wise) the biggest country. 11,3 million compared to 8,7 million for Austria and 8,4 million for Switzerland. So a little more respect should be welcome.
Now compare your population figures with the gross national product (quick calculation, abbreviated to 2 digits, same source for all):
Switzerland: 66
Austria: 53
Belgium: 48

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Boavida » 08 May 2019, 18:30

So what is your point?


Btw:

GDP Belgium: 492.7 billion USD (2017)
GDP Austria: 416.6 billion USD (2017)
GDP Switzerland: 678.9 billion USD (2017)

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 09 May 2019, 11:40

Boavida wrote:
08 May 2019, 16:15


The treatment of SN by LH is (compared to the way they treat LX and OS), I'm afraid, an example of how Germans look to Belgium: we're "quantité négligeable", a country with no national identity (they wrongly think), a country that can be tossed around without the slightest bit of respect.

Our politicians are more interested in fighting between regions than standing together for a better and stronger Belgium on the international scene. That's the image we send elsewhere, I'm afraid.

Quite nice from Brussels Airlines to send another image of Belgium abroad by painting nice special liveries on their metal.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Jetter » 09 May 2019, 16:14

sn26567 wrote:
08 May 2019, 14:49
And Brussels Airlines? Brussels who? Are they part of the Lufthansa Group?
Indirectly, through EuroWings.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 09 May 2019, 20:04

Boavida wrote:
08 May 2019, 18:30
So what is your point?


Btw:

GDP Belgium: 492.7 billion USD (2017)
GDP Austria: 416.6 billion USD (2017)
GDP Switzerland: 678.9 billion USD (2017)
To assess the economic state of a country you need to look at the GDP per capita, not the total GDP.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Boeing767copilot » 02 Jun 2019, 04:30

IATA announced that Carsten Spohr, Chairman and CEO of Lufthansa, will serve as Chairman of the Board of Governors from June 2019, following Al Baker’s (Qatar Airways) term.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by convair » 02 Jun 2019, 08:22

:(
Boeing767copilot wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 04:30
IATA announced that Carsten Spohr, Chairman and CEO of Lufthansa, will serve as Chairman of the Board of Governors from June 2019, following Al Baker’s (Qatar Airways) term.
Could that little side-job be a mind-opener? We can pray but I doubt it very much. :(

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 02 Jun 2019, 09:21

Boeing767copilot wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 04:30
IATA announced that Carsten Spohr, Chairman and CEO of Lufthansa, will serve as Chairman of the Board of Governors from June 2019, following Al Baker’s (Qatar Airways) term.
Good for him, but the real driving force behind IATA remains its CEO, former Air France KLM Chairman Alexandre de Juniac.
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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Passenger » 02 Jun 2019, 09:27

convair wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 08:22
:(
Boeing767copilot wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 04:30
IATA announced that Carsten Spohr, Chairman and CEO of Lufthansa, will serve as Chairman of the Board of Governors from June 2019, following Al Baker’s (Qatar Airways) term.
Could that little side-job be a mind-opener? We can pray but I doubt it very much. :(
Contrary to you, I have never spoken to Carsten Spohr. Hence I cannot say, contrary to you, that he is narrow minded indeed. But I cannot imagine that Lufthansa would appoint a narrow minded guy as CEO. And I cannot imagine that IATA would elect a narrow minded guy as President.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by convair » 02 Jun 2019, 18:55

Passenger wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 09:27
convair wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 08:22
:(
Boeing767copilot wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 04:30
IATA announced that Carsten Spohr, Chairman and CEO of Lufthansa, will serve as Chairman of the Board of Governors from June 2019, following Al Baker’s (Qatar Airways) term.
Could that little side-job be a mind-opener? We can pray but I doubt it very much. :(
Contrary to you, I have never spoken to Carsten Spohr. Hence I cannot say, contrary to you, that he is narrow minded indeed. But I cannot imagine that Lufthansa would appoint a narrow minded guy as CEO. And I cannot imagine that IATA would elect a narrow minded guy as President.
Narrow minded or not is obviously a subjective judgment. I never met him either and have no reason to make him a hero. As many here, I can only observe that, in his quest for making his pet-project EW successful, he seems ready to do anything, including to crush SN, but not only SN: he's even allowing EW to compete with flagship LH on important routes. That does look a bit messy, doesn't it?

Anyway, time will tell. I welcome other opinions; but please allow me to eventually disagree with you.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Poiu » 02 Jun 2019, 19:28

convair wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 18:55
I can only observe that, in his quest for making his pet-project EW successful, he seems ready to do anything, including to crush SN, but not only SN: he's even allowing EW to compete with flagship LH on important routes. That does look a bit messy, doesn't it?
Are they competing or are the flights complementary? If there is a need for additional flights between MUC and FRA, which are operated at a lower cost by EW is that competition or or a strategy to reduce cost and increase profit? Or are these flights just operated, whilst being unprofitable, to discourage other companies to start operating it?

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by convair » 02 Jun 2019, 20:45

Poiu wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 19:28
convair wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 18:55
I can only observe that, in his quest for making his pet-project EW successful, he seems ready to do anything, including to crush SN, but not only SN: he's even allowing EW to compete with flagship LH on important routes. That does look a bit messy, doesn't it?
Are they competing or are the flights complementary? If there is a need for additional flights between MUC and FRA, which are operated at a lower cost by EW is that competition or or a strategy to reduce cost and increase profit? Or are these flights just operated, whilst being unprofitable, to discourage other companies to start operating it?
Good question of course. LH group could have decided to add those complementary flights under the LH brand and allow EW to sell cheaper tickets on them as a code-share operator with a different level of service I.s.o. ostensibly undermining the higher-quality brand.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Poiu » 02 Jun 2019, 20:58

Convair- I am afraid you are still missing the point: EW is about cost savings, salaries are way lower at EW than at mainline, that and only that is the reason of EW’s existence....

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Ansett » 02 Jun 2019, 23:56

You are right, Poiu. Have you got any idea how they find pilots and cc to work under such poor conditions ?
(well, the same goes for FR, I presume).
Another good reason not to fly EW ?

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 03 Jun 2019, 10:56

Ansett wrote:
02 Jun 2019, 23:56
You are right, Poiu. Have you got any idea how they find pilots and cc to work under such poor conditions ?
(well, the same goes for FR, I presume).
Another good reason not to fly EW ?
Mwa, 'poor conditions'... Compared to other sectors they might still be interesting, but less interesting than working for legacy carriers.

And as a pilot, at some point you have to start paying the loan you have taken for your training, so I don't think you are very picky when it comes to jobs...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 03 Jun 2019, 11:17

Mwa, so it’s ok if a new FO who paid 80k€ for his training and 25k for a type rating earns 2000€/month for more workload than his colleague who makes 6000€/month at LH?

:roll: :roll:

Pfff...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 03 Jun 2019, 16:16

737MAX wrote:
03 Jun 2019, 11:17
Mwa, so it’s ok if a new FO who paid 80k€ for his training and 25k for a type rating earns 2000€/month for more workload than his colleague who makes 6000€/month at LH?

:roll: :roll:

Pfff...
Did I say so? :roll:

The poster I replied to wondered why anybody would want to fly for EW if wages are much lower than at LH itself.

I only said it probably still pays better then many other jobs and if you have to pay back a loan for your training, you're probably not so picky when it comes to your employer and your paycheck as long as the bills and the loan(s) can be payed.

That's it. Don't put words in my mouth.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 03 Jun 2019, 16:47

You said their conditions might still be interesting compared to other sectors. These are your words.
I don't know any sector where people had to pay 100k for their training and get such conditions in the end...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 03 Jun 2019, 17:21

737MAX wrote:
03 Jun 2019, 16:47
You said their conditions might still be interesting compared to other sectors. These are your words.
I don't know any sector where people had to pay 100k for their training and get such conditions in the end...
Pilots, yes. And that's why I'm saying you're probably not very picky about an employer when you have a loan to pay for. I haven't said that lower wages compared to LH is no problem, like you seem to imply. It's merely a reason why anyone would work under submarket conditions...

The remark about 'other sectors' was more about flight attendants.

I don't think the difference in paycheck between LH and EW is okay, but it's a consequence of our ever lasting race to the bottom. And as long as EW, or FR, or every LCC keeps finding pilots to fly at those substandard wages, the system will just continue. But then again, what choice do you have if you have an expensive loan to pay for and pilots are not exactly difficult to find?

That's all I was saying. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 03 Jun 2019, 21:04

Thanks for your replies, Conti764. I see your point now and can only agree with you.

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