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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by sn26567 » 21 Apr 2019, 14:30

Atlantis wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 23:15
The number of pax, in %, during March was again the highest one for Brussels Airlines for the whole LH Group. SN saw an increase of more than 15%!!!!!! while Eurowings had a drop of more than 2%
I'm afraid that the real figures are less buoyant:

Pax: 767,053 (-1.4%, due to bmi bankruptcy and strikes at skeyes and in Italy)
LF: 79.2% (-0.3%)

For Brussels Airport, the figures (published elsewhere) were:

Pax: 1,999,343 (+1.9%)

Thus, for the first time since many months, the market share of SN at BRU has decreased.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Poiu » 21 Apr 2019, 18:28

sn26567 wrote:
21 Apr 2019, 14:30
Pax: 767,053 (-1.4%, due to bmi bankruptcy and strikes at skeyes and in Italy)
LF: 79.2% (-0.3%)

For Brussels Airport, the figures (published elsewhere) were:

Pax: 1,999,343 (+1.9%)

Thus, for the first time since many months, the market share of SN at BRU has decreased.
You have a short memory André, it is the second month in a row!
Whilst the decrease in pax numbers is logical due to strikes, the decreasing LF is not good at all, if some flights are cancelled LF should go up.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by convair » 22 Apr 2019, 11:39

Poiu wrote:
21 Apr 2019, 18:28
sn26567 wrote:
21 Apr 2019, 14:30
Pax: 767,053 (-1.4%, due to bmi bankruptcy and strikes at skeyes and in Italy)
LF: 79.2% (-0.3%)

For Brussels Airport, the figures (published elsewhere) were:

Pax: 1,999,343 (+1.9%)

Thus, for the first time since many months, the market share of SN at BRU has decreased.
You have a short memory André, it is the second month in a row!
Whilst the decrease in pax numbers is logical due to strikes, the decreasing LF is not good at all, if some flights are cancelled LF should go up.
A (partial) explanation for the lower LF could be the use of bigger planes to Bromma:
all other things remaining equal, an additional 40 seats per flight X 3 flights per day X 2 (return) X (about) 1250 km X 31 days make an additional 9.3 million ASK, i.e., on the March 2018 ASK of 1661715000, an increase of 0.56%.
QED :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by sn26567 » 16 May 2019, 15:09

April 2019 figures compared to April 2018:

Pax: 918,967 (-0.2%) - Detail: -1.3% in Europe, +7.1% on North Atlantic, +14.4% Africa
LF: 83% (+0.2%)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by sn26567 » 17 Jun 2019, 00:07

May 2019 figures compared to May 2018:

Pax: 928,500 (+5.1%) - Short-haul +4.8%, long-haul + 6.8%
LF: 78.9% (-1.45%)

That's way better than the Eurowings aggregated figures: -2.7% (-3.1% on short-haul, +3.2% on long-haul).

Draw your own conclusions!
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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Inquirer » 17 Jun 2019, 10:59

Thank you for the update on the operational figures of Brussels Airlines alone, André.
Always interesting to sense the pulse on a more detailed basis than what is communicated by Lufthansa.
Careful with comparing them to those of Eurowings however, as in fact their own result is consolidated into those numbers too! In other words, you are comparing them with (in part) themselves!
Although in this particular case, it's making the difference less pronounced than it should be as they are the ones pulling Eurowings own performance up (and by a fair bit even, given they are about 1/3rd of the combined production).

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Poiu » 17 Jun 2019, 14:42

sn26567 wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 00:07
May 2019 figures compared to May 2018:

Pax: 928,500 (+5.1%) - Short-haul +4.8%, long-haul + 6.8%
LF: 78.9% (-1.45%)

That's way better than the Eurowings aggregated figures: -2.7% (-3.1% on short-haul, +3.2% on long-haul).

Draw your own conclusions!
Difficult to draw conclusions, a LF of 78.9 in May is not good at all!
Brussels Airlines is losing money, the conclusion I draw is: thank you Lufty for keeping Eurowings BRU alive.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Matt » 17 Jun 2019, 14:54

How can Load Factor decrease and passengers increase ?

Isnt that kinda contradictory?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by flightlover » 17 Jun 2019, 15:12

Matt wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 14:54
How can Load Factor decrease and passengers increase ?

Isnt that kinda contradictory?
Bigger planes and/or more flights.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by nordikcam » 17 Jun 2019, 15:53

Poiu wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 14:42
sn26567 wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 00:07
May 2019 figures compared to May 2018:

Pax: 928,500 (+5.1%) - Short-haul +4.8%, long-haul + 6.8%
LF: 78.9% (-1.45%)

That's way better than the Eurowings aggregated figures: -2.7% (-3.1% on short-haul, +3.2% on long-haul).

Draw your own conclusions!
Difficult to draw conclusions, a LF of 78.9 in May is not good at all!
Brussels Airlines is losing money, the conclusion I draw is: thank you Lufty for keeping Eurowings BRU alive.
Losing money with 79% occupancy ... what is the point of rocking "load factor" between "lose money" and "earn money" ...?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Conti764 » 17 Jun 2019, 18:33

Poiu wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 14:42
sn26567 wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 00:07
May 2019 figures compared to May 2018:

Pax: 928,500 (+5.1%) - Short-haul +4.8%, long-haul + 6.8%
LF: 78.9% (-1.45%)

That's way better than the Eurowings aggregated figures: -2.7% (-3.1% on short-haul, +3.2% on long-haul).

Draw your own conclusions!
Difficult to draw conclusions, a LF of 78.9 in May is not good at all!
Brussels Airlines is losing money, the conclusion I draw is: thank you Lufty for keeping Eurowings BRU alive.
Do you have LH shares?

For comparison, the prefered children of mutti Lufti have only 81,4% LF Sso a mere 2,5% more.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by sn26567 » 17 Jun 2019, 18:40

Who says Brussels Airlines is losing money? The first quarter was negative, but last time I saw Christina Foerster, she said she hoped to end the year with black figures.

On the other hand, Eurowings expects a negative EBIT of -4% to -6%.
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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by convair » 17 Jun 2019, 23:22

nordikcam wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 15:53
Poiu wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 14:42
sn26567 wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 00:07
May 2019 figures compared to May 2018:

Pax: 928,500 (+5.1%) - Short-haul +4.8%, long-haul + 6.8%
LF: 78.9% (-1.45%)

That's way better than the Eurowings aggregated figures: -2.7% (-3.1% on short-haul, +3.2% on long-haul).

Draw your own conclusions!
Difficult to draw conclusions, a LF of 78.9 in May is not good at all!
Brussels Airlines is losing money, the conclusion I draw is: thank you Lufty for keeping Eurowings BRU alive.
Losing money with 79% occupancy ... what is the point of rocking "load factor" between "lose money" and "earn money" ...?
I don"t think there is a magic number for LF. Profitability depends on so many more factors.
Regarding the May figures, with an increase of 5.2% in pax number, the lower LF obviously comes from a higher offer as pointed out by "flightlover" hereabove.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by sn26567 » 17 Jun 2019, 23:38

convair wrote:
17 Jun 2019, 23:22
Regarding the May figures, with an increase of 5.2% in pax number, the lower LF obviously comes from a higher offer as pointed out by "flightlover" hereabove.
Exactly:
- daily Washington flights rather than 5-weekly
- new destination Kyiv
- fewer strikes than in 2018
- larger aircraft
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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by brabel » 18 Jun 2019, 10:16

when is Brussels Airport going to publish their figures?
Looking forward to see the market share of SN

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Post by luchtzak » 18 Jun 2019, 16:31

brabel wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 10:16
when is Brussels Airport going to publish their figures?
Looking forward to see the market share of SN
Today!

In May, Brussels Airport welcomed nearly 2.3 million passengers, slightly up by 0.7% on May 2018. Cargo transport fell sharply by 11% compared to the same month last year. These results were impacted by the various strikes both in Belgium and abroad.

==> https://www.aviation24.be/airports/brus ... rs-in-may/

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Inquirer » 18 Jun 2019, 16:43

FWIW, that gives them a market share at their home market of close to 41%.

That completes this month's number crunching then, at least on the operational side, unless somebody manages to dig up their market share figure for May 2018 to compare against the figure for this year? ;)

On a related note: does anybody know when their 2018 accounts will be deposited at the NBB?
Given Lufthansa refuses to publish financial results of Brussels Airlines separately and consolidates them in the Eurowings results, it's the only place where you can sense the pulse on how they are doing …

Since Lufthansa has recently reviewed financial guidance for the full year, it could be a highly valuable tool to see if they are part of the problem at eurowings or whether they are in fact a glimmer of hope, even though they are of course the results of last year, but still: we have those of Eurowings too, so you can easily compare them one-to-one and then extrapolate the finding to get a rough idea of where they're standing.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Stij » 18 Jun 2019, 17:33

Inquirer wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 16:43
On a related note: does anybody know when their 2018 accounts will be deposited at the NBB?
They're a Belgian Company... they have to...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by Aerofool » 18 Jun 2019, 17:42

And should be before the end of June...

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Re: Brussels Airlines' monthly traffic figures

Post by convair » 18 Jun 2019, 18:33

Inquirer wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 16:43
FWIW, that gives them a market share at their home market of close to 41%.

That completes this month's number crunching then, at least on the operational side, unless somebody manages to dig up their market share figure for May 2018 to compare against the figure for this year? ;)
May 2018 was a rather low 39% (April was 40.9 and June was 40.1).
Inquirer wrote:
18 Jun 2019, 16:43
On a related note: does anybody know when their 2018 accounts will be deposited at the NBB?
Given Lufthansa refuses to publish financial results of Brussels Airlines separately and consolidates them in the Eurowings results, it's the only place where you can sense the pulse on how they are doing …

Since Lufthansa has recently reviewed financial guidance for the full year, it could be a highly valuable tool to see if they are part of the problem at eurowings or whether they are in fact a glimmer of hope, even though they are of course the results of last year, but still: we have those of Eurowings too, so you can easily compare them one-to-one and then extrapolate the finding to get a rough idea of where they're standing.
I agree and I'm quite sure the people working for/at SN will be looking forward to reading these figures. ;)

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