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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by Atlantis » 03 Apr 2019, 21:15

ezis_bis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 20:49
Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 20:20
LH sees SN and BRU as a big obstacle. They best way for them was to take over SN. So one trouble less. With BRU they play it on the way to take as much as they can Star flights to their own airports in Germany.
Well, there is a rationale behind it from their perspective.

But trying to send everyone to MUC or FRA (horrible place), is not going to work though.
Sending people from BRU, ARN or CPH to MUC, to send them all to GRU means they have to make a certain detour (time and money wise less interesting). Plus, people have other options; via MAD or LIS, shorter and prolly cheaper. MAD for sure is a much nicer place to change than FRA.
CDG and AMS are just a train ride away.

I would of course like a BRU-GRU route, but there are many more (especially to the USA and Asia) which would make more sense.
And they won't happen, because the biggest Airline in BRU is owned by another Airline who will send everybody east before they will be sent west. Or first South to MUC to go North to Asia.
This is exactly what LH has in their mind. Filling their planes at BRU, flying to any airport in Germany and to let them transfer to any other destination.

On this way they want to create from BRU a less attractive airport, only good for leisure flights with Eurowings to the South of Europe. The premium passengers has to fly via other airports.

BRU and the BRU management was absolutely not happy with the full take over of SN by LH

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by ezis_bis » 03 Apr 2019, 21:58

Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:15
The premium passengers has to fly via other airports.
Well, I do think there are enough premium passengers to guarantee certain routes (BRU --> EU Capitals)
So those people won't really have to take 2h trains each time.

And there you can of course connect as well (SAS, Finnair, Aer Lingus)

But in general, it's not looking that great. It of course are lost opportunities for the Belgian economy, but this is of no concern to LH.

Though, on the other hand, I well working hub in Brussels (with lots of EU and Africa traffic) would also benefit LH. But I guess it'll be killed off, and it'll be more trips via CPH for me.

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by nordikcam » 03 Apr 2019, 22:52

ezis_bis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:58
Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:15
The premium passengers has to fly via other airports.
Well, I do think there are enough premium passengers to guarantee certain routes (BRU --> EU Capitals)
So those people won't really have to take 2h trains each time.

And there you can of course connect as well (SAS, Finnair, Aer Lingus)

But in general, it's not looking that great. It of course are lost opportunities for the Belgian economy, but this is of no concern to LH.

Though, on the other hand, I well working hub in Brussels (with lots of EU and Africa traffic) would also benefit LH. But I guess it'll be killed off, and it'll be more trips via CPH for me.
For me Gare du Midi ( ZYR ) has a perfect service and AF from CDG goes everywhere in the world. LAX - YVR - BKK - YYZ - HAV/SCU - YUL - GIG my next trips !

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by ezis_bis » 04 Apr 2019, 08:48

nordikcam wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 22:52
For me Gare du Midi ( ZYR ) has a perfect service and AF from CDG goes everywhere in the world. LAX - YVR - BKK - YYZ - HAV/SCU - YUL - GIG my next trips !
A while ago, because of a cancelled flight, I had to take the High Speed Rail to CDG and fly from there.
I agree, the High Speed Rail connection is very convenient and comfortable

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by Conti764 » 04 Apr 2019, 13:06

Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:15
ezis_bis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 20:49
Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 20:20
LH sees SN and BRU as a big obstacle. They best way for them was to take over SN. So one trouble less. With BRU they play it on the way to take as much as they can Star flights to their own airports in Germany.
Well, there is a rationale behind it from their perspective.

But trying to send everyone to MUC or FRA (horrible place), is not going to work though.
Sending people from BRU, ARN or CPH to MUC, to send them all to GRU means they have to make a certain detour (time and money wise less interesting). Plus, people have other options; via MAD or LIS, shorter and prolly cheaper. MAD for sure is a much nicer place to change than FRA.
CDG and AMS are just a train ride away.

I would of course like a BRU-GRU route, but there are many more (especially to the USA and Asia) which would make more sense.
And they won't happen, because the biggest Airline in BRU is owned by another Airline who will send everybody east before they will be sent west. Or first South to MUC to go North to Asia.
This is exactly what LH has in their mind. Filling their planes at BRU, flying to any airport in Germany and to let them transfer to any other destination.

On this way they want to create from BRU a less attractive airport, only good for leisure flights with Eurowings to the South of Europe. The premium passengers has to fly via other airports.

BRU and the BRU management was absolutely not happy with the full take over of SN by LH
It may sound strange for aviation enthousiasts, but maybe a flight ban under 1000 km (or so) would be a good thing for BRU, since LH could nog longer steal away pax? And in such way BRU might become more intresting for airlines to launch direct flights.

Anyways, it would be wise for BRU management to shift attention from *A to other options, offering OW (to name the most logical) some nice options from BRU (slots, gates, smooth transfers,...)

After all, in todays Europe it's a bit contradictory to focus on national airlines, especially when they're actually quite hostile.

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by Atlantis » 04 Apr 2019, 15:27

Conti764 wrote:
04 Apr 2019, 13:06
Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:15
ezis_bis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 20:49


Well, there is a rationale behind it from their perspective.

But trying to send everyone to MUC or FRA (horrible place), is not going to work though.
Sending people from BRU, ARN or CPH to MUC, to send them all to GRU means they have to make a certain detour (time and money wise less interesting). Plus, people have other options; via MAD or LIS, shorter and prolly cheaper. MAD for sure is a much nicer place to change than FRA.
CDG and AMS are just a train ride away.

I would of course like a BRU-GRU route, but there are many more (especially to the USA and Asia) which would make more sense.
And they won't happen, because the biggest Airline in BRU is owned by another Airline who will send everybody east before they will be sent west. Or first South to MUC to go North to Asia.
This is exactly what LH has in their mind. Filling their planes at BRU, flying to any airport in Germany and to let them transfer to any other destination.

On this way they want to create from BRU a less attractive airport, only good for leisure flights with Eurowings to the South of Europe. The premium passengers has to fly via other airports.

BRU and the BRU management was absolutely not happy with the full take over of SN by LH
It may sound strange for aviation enthousiasts, but maybe a flight ban under 1000 km (or so) would be a good thing for BRU, since LH could nog longer steal away pax? And in such way BRU might become more intresting for airlines to launch direct flights.

Anyways, it would be wise for BRU management to shift attention from *A to other options, offering OW (to name the most logical) some nice options from BRU (slots, gates, smooth transfers,...)

After all, in todays Europe it's a bit contradictory to focus on national airlines, especially when they're actually quite hostile.
Exactly, that's why I started a couple of weeks ago the new topic: BRU future: Star and OneWorld under one roof? Bcs the space is there, potential and it would bring much more variety and more business and traffic to BRU. Keeping in mind the Vision 2040 and the lot more pax they want to attract, there is only one option and this is to open the airport much more for other alliances

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Post by Traveler » 13 Apr 2019, 12:44

Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html

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Post by Conti764 » 13 Apr 2019, 15:55

Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Let's hope they'll go ahead and not with yet another NYC-BRU rotation. BOS-BRU might be a nice addition.

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Post by nordikcam » 13 Apr 2019, 16:28

Conti764 wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 15:55
Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Let's hope they'll go ahead and not with yet another NYC-BRU rotation. BOS-BRU might be a nice addition.
BOS...LH will not be happy ! That's good !OK...I can dream !

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Post by sn26567 » 13 Apr 2019, 17:52

Brussels Airlines should have more ambition and buy some A321LRs (like TAP, Aer Lingus, JetBlue) to fly to the US East Coast and thinner African destinations. I once asked CEO Christina Foerster if there was a chance for Brussels Airlines to buy such aircraft, and she told me that the airline was indeed examining the possibility. A lot of water has passed under the bridges since then. Is Lufthansa again opposing its veto?
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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by Matt » 14 Apr 2019, 09:25

Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Spare me. I already shiver at the idea of doing an 8 hour transatlantic flight in a single aisle aircraft

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Post by TLspotting » 14 Apr 2019, 10:20

Matt wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 09:25
Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Spare me. I already shiver at the idea of doing an 8 hour transatlantic flight in a single aisle aircraft
Primera Air was going to do so...
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Post by lumumba » 14 Apr 2019, 10:21

Matt wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 09:25
Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Spare me. I already shiver at the idea of doing an 8 hour transatlantic flight in a single aisle aircraft
Why it's less comfortable in a single aisle aircraft than another me thinking is more comfortable than to be in 4 seats in middle of a Jumbo Jet for example.
The seats will have the same pitch etc....

I did it once to Pointe-Noire with a A320(AF) and it was a very good experience!
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Post by sn26567 » 14 Apr 2019, 10:22

Matt wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 09:25
Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Spare me. I already shiver at the idea of doing an 8 hour transatlantic flight in a single aisle aircraft
An Airbus A321 should be more comfortable than a Boeing 737: wider seats!
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Post by b720 » 14 Apr 2019, 11:20

Matt wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 09:25
Traveler wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 12:44
Within a few years JetBlue might start flying to Brussels (Article in Dutch).

https://www.tijd.be/ondernemen/luchtvaa ... 16311.html
Spare me. I already shiver at the idea of doing an 8 hour transatlantic flight in a single aisle aircraft
I flew with them from JFK to LAX.. flight was a bit over 6 hours..was really Doable. The return to JFK was on their mint service which is fantastic!!! And I recall having paid about 400 USD for the mint service and less than 100 USD for economy on the outbound. Both classes were excellent, really. They will definitely have an impact once they start flights to Europe. And their TRUEBLUE FF program is excellent..

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by euroflyer » 17 Apr 2019, 15:18

Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 15:28
Lufthansa is going to take over the flights from Star Alliance member LATAM between Muc and Sao Paulo.
This is really bad luck for BRU again as a pax flight between BRU and Sao Paulo is now very unlikely as LH will not allow LATAM to fly to BRU now with pax
The reason for this is much more simple than many might think. Despite LATAM being oneworld, LH had an agreement for codeshare with them for the MUC route planned by LATAM. However, it became clear LATAM does not have enough aircraft available to start this new route. So LH decided to serve this route themselves instead. I guess this might only be temporary.
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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by bristol411 » 17 Apr 2019, 15:45

Following the failure of BMI there has been no direct BRU-BRS service.
Return fares were then around 130 euros incl a hold bag.
The only option for the past months has been KLM via AMS 3 hour layover or Ryanair/Aer lingus with VERY lomg layovers.or BRU-LHR and then 2 hours on a bus.
It would now appear the SN are re-starting the direct BRU-BRS service in September using AR8/RJ146 (formerly mothballed?) 3 times a day for very reasonable NOT 346 euro return and NO luggage.How can they justify this exertional fare when BRU-LHR can be had for 99 euro a/r. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Post by sn26567 » 17 Apr 2019, 15:52

Welcome to Aviation24.be, bristol411.

I guess that BRU-BRS with small planes is more expensive to operate (per passenger) than BRU-LHR with A320 aircraft.

Since SN has no longer AR8 aircraft, who is the operator?
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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by Atlantis » 17 Apr 2019, 15:58

euroflyer wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:18
Atlantis wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 15:28
Lufthansa is going to take over the flights from Star Alliance member LATAM between Muc and Sao Paulo.
This is really bad luck for BRU again as a pax flight between BRU and Sao Paulo is now very unlikely as LH will not allow LATAM to fly to BRU now with pax
The reason for this is much more simple than many might think. Despite LATAM being oneworld, LH had an agreement for codeshare with them for the MUC route planned by LATAM. However, it became clear LATAM does not have enough aircraft available to start this new route. So LH decided to serve this route themselves instead. I guess this might only be temporary.
It was only three times a week.... that is not much. LATAM is a very mature company and knows what they do and how. They have a lot of sister companies which they could transfer a plane in case of need. Just like they do from time to time with their cargo planes.....

In case of a daily flight, I could understand but only three times a week....

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Re: BRU Summer 2019: news, new routes, airlines

Post by bristol411 » 17 Apr 2019, 16:38

sn26567 wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:52
Welcome to Aviation24.be, bristol411.

I guess that BRU-BRS with small planes is more expensive to operate (per passenger) than BRU-LHR with A320 aircraft.

Since SN has no longer AR8 aircraft, who is the operator?
The SN website shows AR8 equipment and they are the operator.In the past SN, FlyBe and BMI all used "small" aircraft including RJ146 with good load factors .....so as they say in the US "Go figure" ...

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