Air Belgium in 2019

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Acid-drop » 15 Mar 2019, 12:00

Shonix wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 08:42
Acid-drop wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 08:37
Well, charleroi-new york could certainly work. Make it continue to tel aviv and your booking system will overheat.
With SN, DL and UA on the market? No sir.
Yes sir, those airlines pay big money to use BRU, when its actually useless.
The last SN flight i took from TLV, it was 99% of american people going to NYC. They dont care about BRU, they wont care about CRL.
You can certainly steal a piece of the cake.

Same for western europe to us west coast. LAS alone is extremely badly served, even from Amsterdam or west germany. Tons of business trips going there, tons of tourist visiting the desert.

Make it all fly from LGG with cargo (and flexible schedule) and you have a good life.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ZavCity » 15 Mar 2019, 12:08

to Acid-drop:I wonder how long LGG will grow when/if strikes are going on and after elections the left politic parties wil reign Wallonia!!My guess is the Chinsese for example will leave soon to other places(LUX
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 15 Mar 2019, 13:13

ZavCity wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:08
to Acid-drop:I wonder how long LGG will grow when/if strikes are going on and after elections the left politic parties wil reign Wallonia!!My guess is the Chinsese for example will leave soon to other places(LUX
GTZ
PAUL
Left or right, don't worry too much about that. Pretty much the same.
As long as money goes into their pocket, it's all good.

But very wishful thinking from you, Paul... :roll:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 15 Mar 2019, 13:15

Acid-drop wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 12:00
Shonix wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 08:42
Acid-drop wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 08:37
Well, charleroi-new york could certainly work. Make it continue to tel aviv and your booking system will overheat.
With SN, DL and UA on the market? No sir.
Yes sir, those airlines pay big money to use BRU, when its actually useless.
The last SN flight i took from TLV, it was 99% of american people going to NYC. They dont care about BRU, they wont care about CRL.
You can certainly steal a piece of the cake.

Same for western europe to us west coast. LAS alone is extremely badly served, even from Amsterdam or west germany. Tons of business trips going there, tons of tourist visiting the desert.

Make it all fly from LGG with cargo (and flexible schedule) and you have a good life.
Quite amazing. You destroy your own idea by explaining the main reason why that wouldn't work.

BRU is a hub (for now at least).
CRL is NOT and is NOT gonna be a hub any time soon.

Or perhaps you think CRL-NYC would work without connecting flights...? :roll:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ABTX » 15 Mar 2019, 16:50

sn26567 wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 10:34
The Air Belgium announcement misses one point: why are the Hong Kong flights cancelled before they start? Was there again a Chinese tour operator that failed to keep his promises? Another good reason? A professional like Niky Terzakis would not launch a route without serious guarantees that it will work.

Meanwhile, ACMI operations keep the company alive and even growing. That's the most important now.
Maybe they never planned to actually resume the HK flights. When they announced they would be resuming the flights, many people, even inside AB, were surprised..

I don't think it should come as a surprise that AB is not financially healthy at this moment. I would love to see AB succeed, but all I have seen until now is bad management. Looks like they screw up time after time. I guess mr. Terzakis has surrounded himself with the wrong people.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Shonix » 15 Mar 2019, 18:01

When it comes to communications, you don’t have to tell everything but whatever is said has to be true. Otherwise, if you don’t keep your promise, you expose yourself to a high risk of developing an atmosphere of uncertainty about you.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 15 Mar 2019, 21:00

ABTX wrote:
15 Mar 2019, 16:50
I don't think it should come as a surprise that AB is not financially healthy at this moment.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by JustPlanes » 16 Mar 2019, 07:20

With the 737MAX nowhere near ready to resume flying and summer season starting soon you would think AB can get all their A340s flying and probably make more money than on scheduled flights...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by HFD » 16 Mar 2019, 11:33

The youtuber Sam Chui just post an interesting trip report DXB-LHR on Air Belgium operating for BA. He seemed to be pleased by this experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuC75VLot90


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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 16 Mar 2019, 13:34

Now let's see what will purpose AB in the coming months...
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 16 Mar 2019, 17:30

HFD wrote:
16 Mar 2019, 11:33
The youtuber Sam Chui just post an interesting trip report DXB-LHR on Air Belgium operating for BA. He seemed to be pleased by this experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuC75VLot90

This guy is incredible. He makes other people film his flights from outside and his interviews from inside.

A nice promotional film for Air Belgium!
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 20 Mar 2019, 08:02

Pagtour.info:

"...Rupture de confiance entre Charleroi Airport et Air Belgium..."

http://pagtour.info/rupture-de-confianc ... r-belgium/

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Stij » 20 Mar 2019, 08:14

Passenger wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 08:02
Pagtour.info:

"...Rupture de confiance entre Charleroi Airport et Air Belgium..."

http://pagtour.info/rupture-de-confianc ... r-belgium/
Really? ;-)

But what can Charleroi do? Force them to go bankrupt? Even SOGEPA, SRIW and SFPI probably don't want to go there...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 20 Mar 2019, 09:10

Passenger wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 08:02
Pagtour.info writes:

"...Rupture de confiance entre Charleroi Airport et Air Belgium..."

"...Au-delà de la polémique qui peut naître quant à la crédibilité ou non de la néo-compagnie belgo-chinoise Air Belgium, il y a des faits qui sont posés et qui indiquent, à tout le moins, le peu de crédit qu’a encore aujourd’hui la nouvelle compagnie aux yeux de son pourtant partenaire Charleroi Airport. Pour combien de temps encore?

En atteste le budget 2019 de la société de gestion du 2ème aéroport du pays, présenté et adopté lors du dernier conseil d’administration de Charleroi Airport, qui indique, très clairement, qu’il n’y a plus, pour cette année, AUCUNE RECETTE budgétée pour la compagnie-cliente Air Belgium!

Une source locale, mais prudemment anonyme (et pour cause, le sujet est sensible !) nous confirme, sans trop y croire, que "tout ce qui serait généré par Air Belgium serait considéré dans notre budget comme du bonus". C’est dire si, aujourd’hui, le partenaire stratégique d’Air Belgium qu’est l’aéroport de Charleroi (un partenariat de dix ans a été officiellement signé en 2018 – ndlr) ne veut plus croire, ou si peu, dans les promesses de relance de vols (sur la Chine et même sur les USA), régulièrement diffusées par Air Belgium via surtout les réseaux sociaux.

Ceci posé, Charleroi Airport a perdu de l’argent en 2018 avec Air Belgium en regard de ses prévisions budgétaires. En effet, un peu plus de 130.500 passagers avaient été budgétés l’an dernier alors que la nouvelle compagnie n’en a transporté qu’à peine un peu plus de….11.000 ! Des chiffres directement tirés de documents officiels de Charleroi Airport!

A la lecture de ceux-ci, on peut comprendre la "mise à zéro" des prévisions de recette 2019 concernant la compagnie belgo-chinoise, par ailleurs très largement soutenue depuis sa création par les pouvoirs publics wallons. Au rang de ceux-ci, la SRIW (en capital et en prêt ), la SFPI (organisme financier fédéral ici, en capital) ou encore la Sogepa via un récent prêt de 4 M€ pour lui éviter la culbute!

http://pagtour.info/rupture-de-confianc ... r-belgium/
Zero income for the airport? Strange. Because CRL charges airport fees, and with 2 of the 4 Air Belgium aircraft most of the time parked at the aerodrome, there must be quite some revenu?
https://www.brussels-charleroi-airport. ... index.html

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ZavCity » 20 Mar 2019, 10:21

Could be an "arrangement"between CRL and KF ..Maybe they can park for free!Who knows..
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by JOVAN » 20 Mar 2019, 17:53

Passenger wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 09:10
Passenger wrote:
20 Mar 2019, 08:02
Pagtour.info writes:

"...Rupture de confiance entre Charleroi Airport et Air Belgium..."

"...Au-delà de la polémique qui peut naître quant à la crédibilité ou non de la néo-compagnie belgo-chinoise Air Belgium, il y a des faits qui sont posés et qui indiquent, à tout le moins, le peu de crédit qu’a encore aujourd’hui la nouvelle compagnie aux yeux de son pourtant partenaire Charleroi Airport. Pour combien de temps encore?

En atteste le budget 2019 de la société de gestion du 2ème aéroport du pays, présenté et adopté lors du dernier conseil d’administration de Charleroi Airport, qui indique, très clairement, qu’il n’y a plus, pour cette année, AUCUNE RECETTE budgétée pour la compagnie-cliente Air Belgium!

Une source locale, mais prudemment anonyme (et pour cause, le sujet est sensible !) nous confirme, sans trop y croire, que "tout ce qui serait généré par Air Belgium serait considéré dans notre budget comme du bonus". C’est dire si, aujourd’hui, le partenaire stratégique d’Air Belgium qu’est l’aéroport de Charleroi (un partenariat de dix ans a été officiellement signé en 2018 – ndlr) ne veut plus croire, ou si peu, dans les promesses de relance de vols (sur la Chine et même sur les USA), régulièrement diffusées par Air Belgium via surtout les réseaux sociaux.

Ceci posé, Charleroi Airport a perdu de l’argent en 2018 avec Air Belgium en regard de ses prévisions budgétaires. En effet, un peu plus de 130.500 passagers avaient été budgétés l’an dernier alors que la nouvelle compagnie n’en a transporté qu’à peine un peu plus de….11.000 ! Des chiffres directement tirés de documents officiels de Charleroi Airport!

A la lecture de ceux-ci, on peut comprendre la "mise à zéro" des prévisions de recette 2019 concernant la compagnie belgo-chinoise, par ailleurs très largement soutenue depuis sa création par les pouvoirs publics wallons. Au rang de ceux-ci, la SRIW (en capital et en prêt ), la SFPI (organisme financier fédéral ici, en capital) ou encore la Sogepa via un récent prêt de 4 M€ pour lui éviter la culbute!

http://pagtour.info/rupture-de-confianc ... r-belgium/
Zero income for the airport? Strange. Because CRL charges airport fees, and with 2 of the 4 Air Belgium aircraft most of the time parked at the aerodrome, there must be quite some revenu?
https://www.brussels-charleroi-airport. ... index.html
Air Belgium is in survival mode and have luckily found customers as Britsh A. (Toronto, Newark , Dubai ??) )and Lot (JFK).
Full planes and probably good income.
Probably other airlines will also need planes from AB.
They have only 4 A340.

I am sure Charleroi prefers to wait, rather than lose AB completely in a bancrupcy...??

AB history is like a rollercoaster but so far they still fly...I hope the best for them. Hope to try them once.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 22 Mar 2019, 15:42

A question for today's Aviation Quiz: what is OO-ABD doing in Amman?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-abd

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 22 Mar 2019, 15:45

Passenger wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 15:42
A question for today's Aviation Quiz: what is OO-ABD doing in Amman?
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-abd
Maintenance.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by JustPlanes » 23 Mar 2019, 13:32

Why risk losing money on scheduled routes flying half empty planes when you can make money on ACMI contracts... and with summer season starting soon and the MAX grounded till who knows when I would think more airlines will be needing to lease in planes...

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