Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - Impact on Boeing 737 MAX

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Two TUI fly Belgium and two TUI fly Netherlands have not reached their final destination, but diverted: https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... -deadline/



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From:12 MAR 19 19:00 Till:26 MAR 19 19:00 EST
Text:SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL DIRECTIVE - BOEING 737-8 MAX AND BOEING 737-9 MAX. THE CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY IN EXERCISE OF ITS POWERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REGULATION (EU) 2018/1139, ARTICLE 70, DIRECTS PILOTS AND OPERATORS OF ANY BOEING 737-8 MAX AND BOEING 737-9 MAX AIRCRAFT WHICH IS REGISTERED IN BELGIUM, NOT TO CONDUCT ANY FLIGHTS AFTER 1900 HRS ON 12 MAR 19 OR REGISTERED IN A THIRD COUNTRY, NOT TO CONDUCT ANY FLIGHT IN THE AIRSPACE OF BELGIUM AFTER 1900 HRS ON 12 MAR 19.

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Flight attendants in U.S. call for grounding of Boeing’s 737 MAX

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luchtzak wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 20:12
Two TUI fly Belgium and two TUI fly Netherlands have not reached their final destination, but diverted: https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... -deadline/
Stranded passengers abroad will be repatriated tomorrow, TUI spokesman Piet Demeyere confirmed to Aviation24.be

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Bracebrace wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 19:08
Btw, ferry flights for maintenance purpose can have special authorisation... I hope.
Why? Is a ferry flight less dangerous? The stupid EU pencil-pushers didn't even allow the aircraft that were already enroute to return to their base. :roll:

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convair wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 21:40
Why? Is a ferry flight less dangerous? The stupid EU pencil-pushers didn't even allow the aircraft that were already enroute to return to their base. :roll:
No but the potential for a big amount of casualties is reduced.

I agree that they've should have let airborne planes continue to their final destination though.

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Remaining airlines operating the type:

🇺🇸 American Airlines (MAX 8)
🇺🇸 Southwest Airlines (MAX 8)
🇺🇸 United Airlines (MAX 9)
🇨🇦 Air Canada (MAX 8)
🇨🇦 Westjet (MAX 8)
🇵🇦 Copa (MAX 9)
🇨🇦 Sunwing (MAX 8)
🇰🇿 SCAT (MAX 8)
🇹🇭 Thai Lion Air (MAX 9)

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convair wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 21:40
The stupid EU pencil-pushers
Wow, can I roll my eyes at such a ridiculous comment ? It's not because you don't like certain decisions, you immediatly have to blame some anonymous person who acts with best intentions for overall safety.

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It was about time to ground all the MAX airplanes, this is a very big step for safety first made by China then followed by others.
Automation has become a very big issue, how can you build a plane with a so called safety feature (MCAS) and ask the pilots to disconnect it in case it fails? What were they seriously thinking?
At Airbus, it is "use as much automation as you can" and you'll be alright, is it I'll give it to you but it might kill you so be careful with Boeing?
How do you expect a pilot to disconnect the system in case of failure during a low altitude climb? I think flight control loss wasn't a serious enough problem for Boeing and the aviation agency.(I think FAA still doesn't take it as a serious matter).
It is a real joke, they could have prevented Lion air crash from day one not to mention the Ethiopian.
They want to make money, rush, don't want to lose business to airbus but the price people paid is worth more than any business Boeing can make.
I just hope Boeing will take the correct steps to make the 737MAX safe once for all and that no one will lose their loved ones again.
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Who wrote this:
Airplanes are becoming far too complex to fly. Pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from MIT. I see it all the time in many products. Always seeking to go one unnecessary step further, when often old and simpler is far better. Split second decisions are....

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The FAA still staunchly refuses to take measures:

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Countries which have banned the 737MAX (red) or where one or more airlines have grounded it (orange)

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Hi
I agree completely with president Trump's tweet..allthough he surprises me..Normally its "America first"..On th other hand, the reaction of 737MAX (nick name says it all!)seems not neutral at all...The FAA is playing high with their current attitude..Remember the 787 problems..They grounded all planes..The best tis to do the same, people are afraid worldwide and I know, most are "simple" people as I am and do know nothing about this plane..but perception ....
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Another one off the list: Sunwing Airlines (Canada) - https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/sunw ... g-737-max/

Airlines still operating the Boeing 737 MAX

🇺🇸 American Airlines (MAX 8)
🇺🇸 Southwest Airlines (MAX 8)
🇺🇸 United Airlines (MAX 9)
🇨🇦 Air Canada (MAX 8)
🇨🇦 Westjet (MAX 8)
🇵🇦 Copa (MAX 9)
🇰🇿 SCAT (MAX 8)
🇹🇭 Thai Lion Air (MAX 9)

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I'm not a pilot... but if 350 new planes fly around and 2 crash in similar circumstances within half a year… statistically you have a problem… and you ground the fleet…

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