Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - Impact on Boeing 737 MAX

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - impact on Boeing 737 MAX

Post by Bralo20 » 12 Mar 2019, 18:32

Breaking:

EASA has closed European airspace for the Boeing 737 MAX starting from 19h00.


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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - impact on Boeing 737 MAX

Post by Luke777 » 12 Mar 2019, 18:54

hundreds of predictions, so here s an other one: Within a few weeks the MAX up and flying again, as for cause: very bad coincidences, a set of circumstances and no direct proof of technical malfunctions, anyway Boeing took some serious precautionary measures and reviewed the complete MCAS system, case closed.

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Post by convair » 12 Mar 2019, 18:57

luchtzak wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 17:06
TUI fly Belgium OO-TMA returning from Hurghada and OO-MAX from Sal, expected to land this evening.
It looks like they won't be able to return to BRU if EU ban is effective from 19:00 UTC. It's a bit stupid (panic decision!), imho; they should allow planes to return to base.

(Btw, maybe a dedicated topic would be appropriate)

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - impact on Boeing 737 MAX

Post by Bracebrace » 12 Mar 2019, 19:08

Luke777 wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 18:54
hundreds of predictions, so here s an other one: Within a few weeks the MAX up and flying again, as for cause: very bad coincidences, a set of circumstances and no direct proof of technical malfunctions, anyway Boeing took some serious precautionary measures and reviewed the complete MCAS system, case closed.
Not so sure. Too many dangers for the passengers. Do you keep all passengers seated with seatbelts on? How many g's does the thing create pitching down at 300kts? Does the g-load even allow pilot intervention? If the system fails, it should fail passive. Not active. The software update already mentions a reduced max input and elevator change rate (if I understand correctly). If it is the same cause as the Indonesian.

Btw, ferry flights for maintenance purpose can have special authorisation... I hope.
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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 19:12

As an airline, the safety and security of our passengers and crew is always our first and key priority. With regard to the B737 Max 8, all three of our Max 8 aircraft are being grounded in compliance with the directive issued by Enac this evening.

As stated previously, all aircraft that we operate are always in full compliance with the regulators' instructions and manufacturer’s operating procedures. Air Italy will continue to be in constant dialogue with the authorities and Boeing with regard to our B737 Max 8 aircraft and will follow all directives to continue to ensure the maximum level of safety and security for our passengers and crew.

With respect to our ongoing operations, Air Italy will assist re-protect all passengers. We kindly ask passengers to check our website and social media channels for further travel updates or contact: Call Center +39 0789 52609 - option 2 o whatsapp +39 3470767469.

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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 19:15

Both OO-TMA and OO-MAX are taking stranger routings. OO-TMA seems to divert to Venice. OO-MAX is descending above Spain. OO-TMY ferried from Ostend to Brussels.
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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 19:35

I thought they would be able to continue to Belgium as already airborne before the decision.

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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 20:12

Two TUI fly Belgium and two TUI fly Netherlands have not reached their final destination, but diverted: https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... -deadline/



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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 21:01

NOTAM B0386/19 refers for UK/Northern Ireland ACC.
NOTAM B0235/19 for Irish ACC.
NOTAM A0610/19 for Vienna ACC.
NOTAM F0373/19 for all French ACCs.
NOTAM A0822/19 for Belgian ACC.
NOTAM A0177/19 for all German ACCs.
NOTAM C0206/19 refers for Warsaw ACC.
NOTAM B1615/19 for Canary ACC.
NOTAM A1673/19 for all Italian ACCs.
NOTAM A0333/19 for Amsterdam ACC.
NOTAM B1614/19 for all Spanish ACC.
NOTAM A0498/19 for Vilnius ACC.
NOTAM A0123/19 for Swiss ACCs.

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Post by SR20 » 12 Mar 2019, 21:07

A0822/19
From:12 MAR 19 19:00 Till:26 MAR 19 19:00 EST
Text:SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL DIRECTIVE - BOEING 737-8 MAX AND BOEING 737-9 MAX. THE CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY IN EXERCISE OF ITS POWERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REGULATION (EU) 2018/1139, ARTICLE 70, DIRECTS PILOTS AND OPERATORS OF ANY BOEING 737-8 MAX AND BOEING 737-9 MAX AIRCRAFT WHICH IS REGISTERED IN BELGIUM, NOT TO CONDUCT ANY FLIGHTS AFTER 1900 HRS ON 12 MAR 19 OR REGISTERED IN A THIRD COUNTRY, NOT TO CONDUCT ANY FLIGHT IN THE AIRSPACE OF BELGIUM AFTER 1900 HRS ON 12 MAR 19.

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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 21:15

Flight attendants in U.S. call for grounding of Boeing’s 737 MAX

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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 21:24

luchtzak wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 20:12
Two TUI fly Belgium and two TUI fly Netherlands have not reached their final destination, but diverted: https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... -deadline/
Stranded passengers abroad will be repatriated tomorrow, TUI spokesman Piet Demeyere confirmed to Aviation24.be

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Post by convair » 12 Mar 2019, 21:40

Bracebrace wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 19:08
Btw, ferry flights for maintenance purpose can have special authorisation... I hope.
Why? Is a ferry flight less dangerous? The stupid EU pencil-pushers didn't even allow the aircraft that were already enroute to return to their base. :roll:

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Post by Bralo20 » 12 Mar 2019, 21:58

convair wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 21:40
Why? Is a ferry flight less dangerous? The stupid EU pencil-pushers didn't even allow the aircraft that were already enroute to return to their base. :roll:
No but the potential for a big amount of casualties is reduced.

I agree that they've should have let airborne planes continue to their final destination though.

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Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 22:29

Remaining airlines operating the type:

🇺🇸 American Airlines (MAX 8)
🇺🇸 Southwest Airlines (MAX 8)
🇺🇸 United Airlines (MAX 9)
🇨🇦 Air Canada (MAX 8)
🇨🇦 Westjet (MAX 8)
🇵🇦 Copa (MAX 9)
🇨🇦 Sunwing (MAX 8)
🇰🇿 SCAT (MAX 8)
🇹🇭 Thai Lion Air (MAX 9)

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Post by ezis_bis » 12 Mar 2019, 22:41

convair wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 21:40
The stupid EU pencil-pushers
Wow, can I roll my eyes at such a ridiculous comment ? It's not because you don't like certain decisions, you immediatly have to blame some anonymous person who acts with best intentions for overall safety.

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Post by etopsflyers » 12 Mar 2019, 22:48

It was about time to ground all the MAX airplanes, this is a very big step for safety first made by China then followed by others.
Automation has become a very big issue, how can you build a plane with a so called safety feature (MCAS) and ask the pilots to disconnect it in case it fails? What were they seriously thinking?
At Airbus, it is "use as much automation as you can" and you'll be alright, is it I'll give it to you but it might kill you so be careful with Boeing?
How do you expect a pilot to disconnect the system in case of failure during a low altitude climb? I think flight control loss wasn't a serious enough problem for Boeing and the aviation agency.(I think FAA still doesn't take it as a serious matter).
It is a real joke, they could have prevented Lion air crash from day one not to mention the Ethiopian.
They want to make money, rush, don't want to lose business to airbus but the price people paid is worth more than any business Boeing can make.
I just hope Boeing will take the correct steps to make the 737MAX safe once for all and that no one will lose their loved ones again.
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