Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - Impact on Boeing 737 MAX

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Poiu » 12 Mar 2019, 15:32

Probably only a matter of hours before EASA follows the U.K. CAA.
Norwegian are grounding their MAX fleet voluntarily.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 15:37

sean1982 wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 14:47
Now UK CAA has grounded the 73M as well. Am I the only one in thinking the aviation authorities know more than we do? I cant be just public pressure?
Forcing at least two aircraft to head back to its destination of origin ?

LIVE: Two UK-bound Turkish Airlines 737 MAX flights (#TK1997 > London Gatwick & #TK1969 > Birmingham) have turned around over Europe since the UK's airspace ban of the type.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Bralo20 » 12 Mar 2019, 15:37

sean1982 wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 14:47
Now UK CAA has grounded the 73M as well. Am I the only one in thinking the aviation authorities know more than we do? I cant be just public pressure?
I'm starting to think the same, It's one thing that a small country grounds a particular plane but it's another thing when a major (and upcoming) country/market like China grounds the planes. It even becomes more significant when "blanket bans" are being issued against operating the planes in sovereign airspace. And when the British CAA does something like this it could be telling.

I guess some things will become clear in the next couple of days. BTW, where are the DFDR and DCVR send too? BEA, the AAIB or the NTSB? I'm guessing that Ethiopia isn't capable to read these?

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Bracebrace » 12 Mar 2019, 15:44

luchtzak wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 15:37

Forcing at least two aircraft to head back to its destination of origin ?

LIVE: Two UK-bound Turkish Airlines 737 MAX flights (#TK1997 > London Gatwick & #TK1969 > Birmingham) have turned around over Europe since the UK's airspace ban of the type.
Could also be company decision as the aircraft would be grounded upon landing and that would make you "depend on" the decisions of the country before you can act as a company yourself. Staying out of the airspace gives you more future freedom with the aircraft.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Acid-drop » 12 Mar 2019, 15:44

Matt wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 09:24
Luke777 wrote:
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luchtzak wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 08:47


André Berger, Flight Operations director, flight instructor and TRI/E B737/767/777/787 of TUI fly Belgium wrote: We operate a fleet of #B737max8 for more than a year and can only say it performed excellently from a safety, operational and customer satisfaction perspective.
read between the lines: the economical impact could wipe us out...
TUI fly BE only has 4 B737-MAX 8 aircraft.

Grounding 4 aircraft would not wipe them out... the PR however...
My god. Indeed, their PR is a f* shame. How can they say something like that when the rest of the world decided differently.
Yesterday on the radio: TUI passengers that no longer have confidence in Max8 can choose other acft type but first have to pay for extra cost...
Well done TUI, well done.
Very classy. Very familly oriented.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Bralo20 » 12 Mar 2019, 15:48

I think it might be a good idea to have more thorough inspections before granting an type certificate to a new plane, certainly when it's a supplemental one like with the MAX. It's become clear that the MAX is not just a (major) update of the previous versions but that it was altered quite a bit (new positions for the engines, supplemental system to compensate for the instability due the changed position of the engines, etc...). Yet it's still being seen als just another new version of the original 1960's 737 while it's (except for part of the fuselage) virtually a complete new plane with mix matched old en new technology. I think it might be a wise idea to have them certificate these planes as new planes instead. And better oversight wouldn't be a bad idea either, now the manufacturer is responsible for the oversight with the FAA virtually just signing the paperwork.

And this goes for every manufacturer and responsible institute like EASA for example which follows quite same procedure as the FAA.


I truly hope it isn't a design flaw but the more we think about it the more likely it is that "something" is wrong. It could be as simple as a bad batch of electronics that sneaked through inspections, it could be a software bug but in the worst case it could be a design flaw...



Anyway, TUI Belgium is grounding the MAX also.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Bracebrace » 12 Mar 2019, 15:54

Acid-drop wrote:
12 Mar 2019, 15:44
My god. Indeed, their PR is a f* shame. How can they say something like that when the rest of the world decided differently.
Fly first yes, absolutely. Always.

But don't think your manual flying skills will save you any day, any time. Overconfidence in your flying skills is karma's best friend.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 15:58

Turkish Airlines Istanbul to Nouakchott on 737 MAX (TC-LCF) has also turned around.
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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Bralo20 » 12 Mar 2019, 16:00

According to the latest rumours EASA is thinking about following the British CAA and could be ready to issue a blanket ban for the 737 MAX in Europe. Later today a statement is expected.

If EASA is indeed ready to do so I think FAA might have to follow wetter they like it or not, more and more countries are issuing a ban (or airlines are grounding the planes voluntary) but if a major authority with power over a major area issues a statement and a ban that's something a little different. Guess we have to wait and see.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 16:02

TUI group airlines follow suit, more news ASAP on the main site.


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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 16:53

German airspace has been banned for Boeing 737 MAX by Minister for Traffic, Andreas Scheuer.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 16:54

Turkish Airlines ground Boeing 737 MAX fleet.

Austrian airspace closed for Boeing 737 MAX.



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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 17:06

TUI fly Belgium OO-TMA returning from Hurghada and OO-MAX from Sal, expected to land this evening.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by Bralo20 » 12 Mar 2019, 17:18

I guess Belgium will follow with the airspace closure for the MAX also when those 2 planes are back at BRU? Probably the reason why they didn't follow France, The Netherlands, etc...

On the other hand, they are going to strike anyway so they'll close parts of it this night regardless :D

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 17:31

No need to close the Belgian airspace for 737 MAX as The Netherlands, U.K., France and Germany all closed already.

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 18:01

This article, published on Aviation24.be in November 2018 is currently trending:

Boeing 737 MAX Automatic Stall-Prevention System (MCAS) not in flight crew operations manual (FCOM):

https://www.aviation24.be/manufacturers ... nual-fcom/

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Re: Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 MAX crashes between Addis Ababa and Nairobi - impact on Boeing 737 MAX

Post by luchtzak » 12 Mar 2019, 18:06

Belgian Minister of Transport François Bellot just tweeted that the Boeing 737 MAX will also be disallowed in Belgian airspace.

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