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CTBke wrote:
20 Nov 2018, 12:09
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
20 Nov 2018, 10:27
The Privilege, Premium eco, is worth it in long haul and I'm looking forward to seeing the new cabin.

But on the short haul SN should come back to a more attractive Bizz&Class.
They have now squeezed the first row on the A320S between the 1L door and the cockpit.

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Very little legroom :(

H.A.
maybe it's part of their bigger plan to integrate into the EW group and having the same config as their A320's and making Bizz&Class less attractive on European flights .. LH/LX/OS offer a far better inflight service when traveling in Business class
One more reason why SN doesn't fit in the EW Group but should move to the LH Group network airlines.
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Sorry guys, should have added the tongue-in-cheek smiley.

Ahead of door 1L and 1R, is the Lav and the galley.
You're not supposed to turn left when entering an A320.

;)

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Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on Wednesday, Thursday and today now for SN501, is there a problem with the A330 fleet ? It's also planned for tomorrow

It moved from being occasional to frequently.

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Matt wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 10:48
Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on ...
It is actually a Brussels Airlines A340-300 in Eurowings livery!
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sn26567 wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 11:08
Matt wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 10:48
Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on ...
It is actually a Brussels Airlines A340-300 in Eurowings livery!
Owh I know. Just wondering why they took the a340 of its base in Dusseldorf :P

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Matt wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 10:48
Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on Wednesday, Thursday and today now for SN501, is there a problem with the A330 fleet ? It's also planned for tomorrow

It moved from being occasional to frequently.
SFT and SFY are in LIS for C-check I read on another topic here (will they return to the fleet?); SFU on maintenance at BRU I believe; SFZ apparently still AOG at BRU since the engine problem on return from Kinshasa. So, no SN A332 available for the moment.

On top of OO-SCW doing JFK (untill?), OO-SFJ (an A333 from LH with EW livery) has been doing Dakar-Banjul/Conakry for more than a week now.

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convair wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 15:29
Matt wrote:
23 Nov 2018, 10:48
Been seeing a Eurowings A340-300 taking off on Wednesday, Thursday and today now for SN501, is there a problem with the A330 fleet ? It's also planned for tomorrow

It moved from being occasional to frequently.
SFT and SFY are in LIS for C-check I read on another topic here (will they return to the fleet?); SFU on maintenance at BRU I believe; SFZ apparently still AOG at BRU since the engine problem on return from Kinshasa. So, no SN A332 available for the moment.

On top of OO-SCW doing JFK (untill?), OO-SFJ (an A333 from LH with EW livery) has been doing Dakar-Banjul/Conakry for more than a week now.
That makes sense.
Haven't been seeing OO-SFJ taking of tough... ( well, I dont always look outside of my window at work... my boss would kill me :lol: )

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Seems that OO-SFG had her first flight out of EBBR this morning.

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Press release of Brussels Airlines: Brussels Airlines rejuvenates its Airbus A330 long-haul fleet

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... aul-fleet/

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More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html

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sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 13:37
More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
???? What does the article say, the link does not work. Thx...
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First revenue flight today for OO-SFG as SN277.

(I assume it still has the Singapore interior)
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luchtzak wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 14:39
Press release of Brussels Airlines: Brussels Airlines rejuvenates its Airbus A330 long-haul fleet

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... aul-fleet/
I had understood from previous posts that the new interior was going to be presented at the end of November.
I now understand that the work will only start now. When will the first newly equipped aircraft be ready?

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convair wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 14:19
I had understood from previous posts that the new interior was going to be presented at the end of November.
I now understand that the work will only start now. When will the first newly equipped aircraft be ready?
From what I heard, a presentation of the new interior to the press would take place in December. But if it is like the previous time, only a few seats should be presented in b.house.
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sn26567 wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 15:47
convair wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 14:19
I had understood from previous posts that the new interior was going to be presented at the end of November.
I now understand that the work will only start now. When will the first newly equipped aircraft be ready?
From what I heard, a presentation of the new interior to the press would take place in December. But if it is like the previous time, only a few seats should be presented in b.house.

There are some problems with the certificationof the seats. The presentation would be more than a few seats, it would be a presentation of the whole new cabin !
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sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 13:37
More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
Something new ? The link does not work...Thx !

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Does anybody of you guys know, when the to A343 will return to LH?

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nordikcam wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 19:35
sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 13:37
More insight in this interview of M. Spohr CEO LH group.
Auf Deutsch :https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
Something new ? The link does not work...Thx !
aero.de: Was müssen eigentlich Austrian Airlines und Brussels Airlines tun um neue Flugzeuge zu erhalten?

Spohr: Bei Brussels Airlines haben wir das schon entschieden. Dort leasen und kaufen wir gebrauchte A330, die die heute bereits sehr alten A330 von Brussels Airlines ersetzen. Jede Airline unserer Gruppe muss die notwendige eigene Profitabilität erwirtschaften, um sich Investitionen in Flugzeuge leisten zu können. Wir bestellen neue Flugzeuge für die Gruppe grundsätzlich nur noch für die sogenannte "graue Flotte" und entscheiden erst 18 Monate vor Auslieferung, bei welcher Airline sie eingesetzt werden.

https://www.aero.de/news-30432/Kleinere ... nchen.html
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Thank you André .. sorry for the link problem, just found out about it now.
Spohr repeats what is unfortunately already known. Each airline of the group must finance its equipment separately. No policy, no investment for sn except the routine thing.

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sn-remember wrote:
01 Dec 2018, 23:08
Thank you André .. sorry for the link problem, just found out about it now.
Spohr repeats what is unfortunately already known. Each airline of the group must finance its equipment separately. No policy, no investment for sn except the routine thing.
It's not so much the financing an sich, it's a matter of being able to 'prove' a (financial) return on the invested capital. Or do you think SN is capable of financing this investment on its own without help from LH? It might 'just' be "old A333s" for many, but we are still talking about an investment of a few hundred million Euro's, even without the full cabin retrofits (which, as you might know, don't come cheap either).

And before the EW arguments come, LH will never accept EW to continu like this without drastic and rapid improvements in their financial and operational performance. It would just be quite hypocrite of LH to blame EW for it's current performance after forcing them to integrate tens of new aircraft and thousands of new employees in less than a year without any consequences.

LHG is fundamentally run as a cash machine and whatever 'project' or company division doesn't perform and/or for a period longer than what's seen as 'normal' (one-off extra ordinary costs, ...) will be required to restructure fundamentally and otherwise closed down or (in best case) sold, "pet-project" or not.
Obviously when you built the whole strategy of a group with >35billion EUR in revenue on 3 main pillars and of those 1 is EWG with the aim to become the 3rd largest in LCC/P2P/hybrid group in Europe in just a few years, you accept a bit more 'extraordinary costs'.

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