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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Desert Rat » 31 Oct 2018, 16:06

French military may be....Air France was operating a lot of cargo flight for them, they just have 2 777F nowadays ( I think), so capacity to support deployment abroad is quite limited.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Inquirer » 02 Nov 2018, 06:55

About that flight to Noumea, it might be related to this event on Sunday:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ed-to-know

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Adv » 04 Nov 2018, 17:43

Hello, Oo-ABE in Perpignan on Novembre 4th, also for maintenance?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by TLspotting » 04 Nov 2018, 17:57

Inquirer wrote:
02 Nov 2018, 06:55
About that flight to Noumea, it might be related to this event on Sunday:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ed-to-know
HI,
It is totally linked. ABA should take off from Nouméa on Tuesday morning, local time.
Adv wrote:
04 Nov 2018, 17:43
Hello, Oo-ABE in Perpignan on Novembre 4th, also for maintenance?
Hi,

It should be indeed for maintenance.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 04 Nov 2018, 20:51

TLspotting wrote:
04 Nov 2018, 17:57
Inquirer wrote:
02 Nov 2018, 06:55
About that flight to Noumea, it might be related to this event on Sunday:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... ed-to-know
HI,
It is totally linked. ABA should take off from Nouméa on Tuesday morning, local time.
When the French Prime Minister visited New Caledonia last December, an all-business class aircraft was leased for the return flight. The rumour in France was that the Armée de l'Air A340 is not comfortable enough for such long flight.

Edouard Philippe is again in Noumea on Monday 05NOV, coming from Vietnam, and his agenda for the day ends with a meeting to take place at the airport at 20h45.

https://www.gouvernement.fr/partage/106 ... -caledonie

Could it be that OO-ABA will bring him back home?
I can only imagine the French press taking photos of their Prime minister disembarking from an AIR BELGIUM aircraft !
:lol:

H.A.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Adv » 05 Nov 2018, 17:08

OO-ABA is on way back to CDG via HKG
Screenshot_20181105-170604__01.jpg
With Edouard Philippe?? :lol:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by TLspotting » 16 Nov 2018, 14:39

Walloon Government examined this morning the possibility of granting a loan of €4 mln for Air Belgium.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by ZavCity » 16 Nov 2018, 17:13

In that case they should be renamed AIR WALLONIE!
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by b.lufthansa » 16 Nov 2018, 17:21

TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 14:39
Walloon Government examined this morning the possibility of granting a loan of €4 mln for Air Belgium.
If that is allowed by EU ?

Perhaps they should start working iso celebrating King day :roll:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by skumfiduse » 16 Nov 2018, 18:36

b.lufthansa wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 17:21
TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 14:39
Walloon Government examined this morning the possibility of granting a loan of €4 mln for Air Belgium.
If that is allowed by EU ?

Perhaps they should start working iso celebrating King day :roll:
State aid? Or will they give 4 mln euros to Brussels Airlines, TUI fly and SHS Aviation as well? 😁

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 16 Nov 2018, 18:49

skumfiduse wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 18:36
b.lufthansa wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 17:21
TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 14:39
Walloon Government examined this morning the possibility of granting a loan of €4 mln for Air Belgium.
If that is allowed by EU ?

Perhaps they should start working iso celebrating King day :roll:
State aid? Or will they give 4 mln euros to Brussels Airlines, TUI fly and SHS Aviation as well? 😁
It's not a gift, it's a loan! Besides, the Walloon government did invest in SN Brussels Airlines (and lost its investment, tanks to LH buying 55% at rock bottom prices)
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by 737MAX » 16 Nov 2018, 18:58

ZavCity wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 17:13
In that case they should be renamed AIR WALLONIE!
gtz
paul
Poor little mentality, really :roll:

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by jan_olieslagers » 16 Nov 2018, 19:07

In that case they should be renamed AIR WALLONIE!
Really? Then, if the week after they manage to get a loan from KBC (just to name one), they should be renamed Air KBC?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 16 Nov 2018, 19:48

TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 14:39
Walloon Government examined this morning the possibility of granting a loan of €4 mln for Air Belgium.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see it in today's overview:
http://gouvernement.wallonie.be/home/pu ... nfull.html

But then, they probably know it's risky to put something online about it.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by TLspotting » 16 Nov 2018, 20:27

€4 millions from Sogepa, to Air Belgium.
https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 70336.html
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Poiu » 16 Nov 2018, 20:40

sn26567 wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 18:49
the Walloon government did invest in SN Brussels Airlines (and lost its investment, tanks to LH buying 55% at rock bottom prices)
OFF TOPIC alert.
If SN would have paid back the Walloon governement they would have gone bankrupt and LH would not have bought the remaining 55%. Beside the loss of the Walloon investment, LH had to provide a 100 million guarantee to save SN. Mr Gustin’s words at that time: “we are in survival mode”...

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 16 Nov 2018, 20:56

TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 20:27
€4 millions from Sogepa, to Air Belgium.
https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 70336.html
Weird article. Shocking content. And a strange loan, specially when they expect that a foreign shareholder will refund 2 mio soon after the taxpayers money is recieved. Why doens't this Chinese guy then provides a 2M loan, via a subordinated loan? That way, there's no problem with "foreign ownership" as they claim.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 17 Nov 2018, 16:00

Passenger wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 20:56
TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 20:27
€4 millions from Sogepa, to Air Belgium.
https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 70336.html
Weird article. Shocking content. And a strange loan, specially when they expect that a foreign shareholder will refund 2 mio soon after the taxpayers money is recieved. Why doens't this Chinese guy then provides a 2M loan, via a subordinated loan? That way, there's no problem with "foreign ownership" as they claim.
So actually their 20 mio € capital is gone, and they urgently need another 4 mio €.

Maybe it's time for the shareholders to consolidate their losses.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by TLspotting » 17 Nov 2018, 17:06

Passenger wrote:
17 Nov 2018, 16:00
Passenger wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 20:56
TLspotting wrote:
16 Nov 2018, 20:27
€4 millions from Sogepa, to Air Belgium.
https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 70336.html
Weird article. Shocking content. And a strange loan, specially when they expect that a foreign shareholder will refund 2 mio soon after the taxpayers money is recieved. Why doens't this Chinese guy then provides a 2M loan, via a subordinated loan? That way, there's no problem with "foreign ownership" as they claim.
So actually their 20 mio € capital is gone, and they urgently need another 4 mio €.

Maybe it's time for the shareholders to consolidate their losses.
How do you know that their capital is gone?

I don't think it is true... How can you still hire people, fly for other airlines... Without capital?
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Re: Air Belgium in 2018

Post by Passenger » 17 Nov 2018, 17:58

TLspotting wrote:
17 Nov 2018, 17:06
Passenger wrote:
17 Nov 2018, 16:00
So actually their 20 mio € capital is gone, and they urgently need another 4 mio €.
Maybe it's time for the shareholders to consolidate their losses.
How do you know that their capital is gone?
I don't think it is true... How can you still hire people, fly for other airlines... Without capital?
When you have started with 20 mio € and you ask Sogepa for a loan of 4 mio €, there aren't many other possibilities then "nothing is left from the initial 20 mio". Why else would they need a loan?

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