The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by SabenaForever » 20 Oct 2018, 18:22

CTBke wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 18:16
sn26567 wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 18:01
Wayfarer515 wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 17:01
Hello, newcomer here. I just wanted to ask if its true the SSJs will stay with SN? It sounds as if they will only swap the BMA flight to A319, but the rest of the routes will be kept with the wet-lease flights with the Sukhois, can anybody else verify if this is true?

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The CityJet contract with Brussels Airlines expires in March 2019. Knowing the problems with the SSJ100s, it is unlikely to be extended.
Contract won't be extended with the SSJ but they might keep it with Cityjet operating with CRJ's or something else.
No CRJ’s or Embraers possible from Mother Lufthansa?

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Kapitein » 20 Oct 2018, 18:49

De SSJ will be fased out starting 28 oct.
They will be replaced by CRJ-900 and CRJ-1000 aircraft from Air Nostrum.

1st 28/10
2nd end of Decembre
2 others in January 2019

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Axn75 » 21 Oct 2018, 16:48

And what's your source, if you don't mind me asking?

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Kapitein » 21 Oct 2018, 19:19

Axn75 wrote:
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And what's your source, if you don't mind me asking?
Brussels Airlines

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by skumfiduse » 21 Oct 2018, 20:48

Kapitein wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 18:49
De SSJ will be fased out starting 28 oct.
They will be replaced by CRJ-900 and CRJ-1000 aircraft from Air Nostrum.

1st 28/10
2nd end of Decembre
2 others in January 2019
Although it's sad to see the SSJ go, I'm glad to read SN will get something decent in return. The CRJ rarely disappoints! Now I wonder whether we'll see an CRJ in full SN colours.

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by thisguy » 22 Oct 2018, 01:36

Does anyone know why we're going back to the SSJ next week on the Birmingham flight after we had the A319 for over a month ?

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Wayfarer515 » 22 Oct 2018, 08:04

thisguy wrote:
22 Oct 2018, 01:36
Does anyone know why we're going back to the SSJ next week on the Birmingham flight after we had the A319 for over a month ?
And there´s the reason for my initial question, I am seeing the SSJ announced on many routes this year and pretty well into 2019, Birmingham and Nantes being the obvious ones, BMA was kind of expected to become an A319 operation, but it does makes you wonder if something else is going on behind scenes, another thing that caught my attention is EI-FWB coming back from its extended C-check directly to operate SN flights, if they were going to start retiring the fleet why bother to do that in the first place? BTW, sept and october data shows a very good dispatch reliability from the SSJ fleet, what changed after the may-june debacle?

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by saratoga » 22 Oct 2018, 08:55

Flew recently with the sukhoi as well. I was well impressed inside. 1 downside was that i found it pretty noisy. Got also the information that the sukhois will be replaced with the crj’s. No idea if cityjet will get off them permantely.

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Poiu » 22 Oct 2018, 09:27

saratoga wrote:
22 Oct 2018, 08:55
Flew recently with the sukhoi as well.
Sorry to be pedantic, only pilots fly “with” an aircraft, passengers fly “in” or ‘on” an aircraft.

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by sn26567 » 22 Oct 2018, 10:23

saratoga wrote:
22 Oct 2018, 08:55
Got also the information that the sukhois will be replaced with the crj’s. No idea if cityjet will get off them permanently.
CityJet might keep the SSJ100s for its charter and ACMI business.

And since Air Nostrum and CityJet joined forces, there is not even a change of operator!
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Vic Diesel » 22 Oct 2018, 12:23

I can understand that the company is looking for a more reliable plane on the lower end of aircraft sizes. On the other hand, the change from the SSJ to CRJ will be dreadful for passengers: crampy cabin, no space for hand luggage, no boarding via jetbridge... because apart from the somewhat higher noise level, the SSJ was a formidable plane to fly with! I heard also CC (comfortable workspace in both galleys) and pilots (quite similar to fly like smaller Airbuses) liked flying it.

I will be very careful in the future when booking with SN as to avoid the "crampy tube" CRJ... :evil:
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by AIRMARSHAL » 22 Oct 2018, 15:57

I am sorry to hear this, the CRJ-900 is one of my favourites.


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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by jan_olieslagers » 02 Nov 2018, 14:53

Quick translation of the essentials - no guarantees, this translation is worth as much as was paid for it:
* first CRJ to start BRU-Nantes service November 1st
* last Sukhoi to leave by March 1st (I hope and trust that means 2019 :) )

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by CTBke » 02 Nov 2018, 17:44

jan_olieslagers wrote:
02 Nov 2018, 14:53
Quick translation of the essentials - no guarantees, this translation is worth as much as was paid for it:
* first CRJ to start BRU-Nantes service November 1st
* last Sukhoi to leave by March 1st (I hope and trust that means 2019 :) )
Already did the 1st SN flight on 30/10
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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by convair » 03 Nov 2018, 13:05

Vic Diesel wrote:
22 Oct 2018, 12:23
I can understand that the company is looking for a more reliable plane on the lower end of aircraft sizes. On the other hand, the change from the SSJ to CRJ will be dreadful for passengers: crampy cabin, no space for hand luggage, no boarding via jetbridge... because apart from the somewhat higher noise level, the SSJ was a formidable plane to fly with! I heard also CC (comfortable workspace in both galleys) and pilots (quite similar to fly like smaller Airbuses) liked flying it.

I will be very careful in the future when booking with SN as to avoid the "crampy tube" CRJ... :evil:
I tend to agree. I'm not so sure it was a good idea to change now that the SSJ seems to be getting more reliable. And, with experience, more critical spare parts becoming available more quickly and an occasional standby aircraft, the situation could only be improving. It's a nice plane and I read many favorable comments from pax.

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by sean1982 » 03 Nov 2018, 13:27

convair wrote:
03 Nov 2018, 13:05
Vic Diesel wrote:
22 Oct 2018, 12:23
I can understand that the company is looking for a more reliable plane on the lower end of aircraft sizes. On the other hand, the change from the SSJ to CRJ will be dreadful for passengers: crampy cabin, no space for hand luggage, no boarding via jetbridge... because apart from the somewhat higher noise level, the SSJ was a formidable plane to fly with! I heard also CC (comfortable workspace in both galleys) and pilots (quite similar to fly like smaller Airbuses) liked flying it.

I will be very careful in the future when booking with SN as to avoid the "crampy tube" CRJ... :evil:
I tend to agree. I'm not so sure it was a good idea to change now that the SSJ seems to be getting more reliable. And, with experience, more critical spare parts becoming available more quickly and an occasional standby aircraft, the situation could only be improving. It's a nice plane and I read many favorable comments from pax.
I agree, the SSJ’s are getting more reliable and pax love them (when they fly). I still feel they should have gone for the (now) A220’s.

As for the crj, for me the worst cramped uncomfortable flight I have ever had :/

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by 737MAX » 03 Nov 2018, 14:11

sean1982 wrote:
03 Nov 2018, 13:27

I agree, the SSJ’s are getting more reliable and pax love them (when they fly). I still feel they should have gone for the (now) A220’s.

As for the crj, for me the worst cramped uncomfortable flight I have ever had :/
I've never flown on a SSJ; but a few friends did and really didn't like it (apparently way too noisy?).
Fully agree for the A220 though, what a nice aircraft that is!

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Aerofool » 03 Nov 2018, 18:07

I've got the impression it's only a temporary solution? There should be a new operator in March, to succeed CityJet?
This is how it was described in L'Echo (in French): " Le 1er mars, tous les Sukhoi devraient avoir disparu, avec l’entrée en vigueur du nouveau contrat qui succédera à l’accord signé avec CityJet. Une adjudication est en cours."

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Re: The CityJet Sukhoi SSJ100-95 saga is hurting Brussels Airlines

Post by Wayfarer515 » 03 Nov 2018, 18:20

Oddly enough, it seems Air Nostrum, and not Cityjet, will be participating in the next tender. To make matters more interesting, apparently they have included the SSJ-100 in their product offering, wtf? BTW, the tender also includes larger narrowbodies as well, I guess we are seeing the last throws of Brussels Airlines.

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