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Maybe the same for Cityjet and finaly for SN. Is the amount of compensation or insurance related to the various cancellations and malfunctions known ?
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-451005/
(Interjet compensated for SSJ100 maintenance costs)

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Another one with a problem: SSJ100 EI-FWC BRU-VCE SN3201 returned to BRU today, after U-turn near Konstanz...

EI-FWA took over and brought the passengers to VCE with a delay of three hours and 30 minutes.
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sn26567 wrote:
13 Aug 2018, 23:08
Another one with a problem: SSJ100 EI-FWC BRU-VCE SN3201 returned to BRU today, after U-turn near Konstanz...

EI-FWA took over and brought the passengers to VCE with a delay of three hours and 30 minutes.
This SSJ problem is ridiculous. We are asking at the time of reservation (reservation of several flights) which type of plane will make the line ... an Airbus, I take. A SSJ, I will see elsewhere! I am unfortunately there!

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I have had two perfect flights with the Superjet. In fact, the Superjet was the only reason for me to fly Brussels Airlines.

When Brussels Airlines started the project, they were aware that they were flying a new type of aircraft with teething problems. In addition, the reputation of Russian manufacturers in terms of aftersales and parts supply is and was not too good. Superjet International regrettably does not have its affairs in order .... Spare parts, a good manual etc. etc.

I think that the Superjet is an excellent aircraft, but that the manufacturer itself stands in the way of a success.

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Welcome to Aviation24.be, su0229, and thanks for your input on this thread.
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We flew one last week-end to Warsaw (EI-FWA)
I thought it was comfortable, but NOISEY.

Funnily enough, it was our first trip on a Russian made plane (even though coming from the Former Soviet Union)
SN's Airbuses still are more comfortable, so I'm fine with the idea of the SSJ's being replaced

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I find the SSJ way more comfortable than the airbuses (comeon, seat-pitch 32 compared to the 30 of airbuses?). Moreover, the 2-3 configuration is way better than the 3-3. I had 3 flights so far, all with no problem (but I acknowledge that I was among the lucky ones)

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jerry wrote:
16 Aug 2018, 11:25
I find the SSJ way more comfortable than the airbuses (comeon, seat-pitch 32 compared to the 30 of airbuses?). Moreover, the 2-3 configuration is way better than the 3-3. I had 3 flights so far, all with no problem (but I acknowledge that I was among the lucky ones)
The SSJ can be more comfortable when the aircraft is flying on time !

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Rumours are that the SSJ will be removed from the Cityjet fleet and that they will only use the CRJ900 for wetlease.
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Brussels Airlines may move its wet-lease arrangement from CityJet, following long delays in solving technical problems with its SSJ100s. The contract is scheduled to expire in March 2019 and the carrier is at the RFP stage of determining who will be the capacity provider.
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Has the situation with the SSJs improved? Looking at about a week's worth of FR24 data I see only one flight cancelled.

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It looks like reliability is way up now.
Perhaps SN should look at maintaining the cooperation and ask for a clause with big compensation for each delay/cancellation in the form of rebates on the monthly ACMI charges.
The SSJ fits well in SN's operations, the aircraft can't help it if Cityjet is unable to support it properly. Adding a type like the SSJ saves on capital cost but requires the same if not bigger investments in logistical support. It looks like the operators are not well prepared for that and expect everything to be available off the shelf from Sukhoi or SJI.

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Flanker3 wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 01:33
It looks like reliability is way up now.
I got the same impression.
Flanker3 wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 01:33
Perhaps SN should look at maintaining the cooperation and ask for a clause with big compensation for each delay/cancellation in the form of rebates on the monthly ACMI charges.
The SSJ fits well in SN's operations, the aircraft can't help it if Cityjet is unable to support it properly. Adding a type like the SSJ saves on capital cost but requires the same if not bigger investments in logistical support. It looks like the operators are not well prepared for that and expect everything to be available off the shelf from Sukhoi or SJI.
Why not? It seems to be a good aircraft, but It's new and, as any new machine, it's having its teething trouble. I read on this forum that the russian manufacturer is slow in supplying the needed spare parts but I assume Cityjet has now collected enough data/arguments to put the adequate amount of pressure on them to expedite those matters. The winter slack should also help having a replacement aircraft available in case of a problem.

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convair wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 02:03
Why not? It seems to be a good aircraft, but It's new and, as any new machine, it's having its teething trouble. I read on this forum that the russian manufacturer is slow in supplying the needed spare parts but I assume Cityjet has now collected enough data/arguments to put the adequate amount of pressure on them to expedite those matters. The winter slack should also help having a replacement aircraft available in case of a problem.
The SSJ is a formidable aircraft and would fit in well into many fleets. Pax-wise, the only thing that bothers me is the noise level, which seems to be higher than on comparable regiojets of Western manufacturers. But otherwise, flying with the SSJ is always a nice and comfortable experience. I heard from pilots that it is popular with the crews as well, as it is quite similar to fly as an Airbus.

I guess that it is mainly the lack of spare parts that continuously plagues SSJ operators worldwide. This is no new problem though, as Russian manufacturers seem to "forget" about spare parts when it comes to production. The same happened with the Tu-154 in the early 1980s - it seems that Russian managers (?) forgot to learn some lessons throughout all those years.
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According to a pilot, a lack of MEL (minimum equipment list) forces the pilots to not fly. Other aircraft types have a better MEL in case one or few instruments/items are not working.

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luchtzak wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 11:14
According to a pilot, a lack of MEL (minimum equipment list) forces the pilots to not fly. Other aircraft types have a better MEL in case one or few instruments/items are not working.
Interesting, thank you for that information. To my knowledge so far, it was "lack of spare parts". This info seems to be a bit more precise.
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Vic Diesel wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 12:13
luchtzak wrote:
28 Sep 2018, 11:14
According to a pilot, a lack of MEL (minimum equipment list) forces the pilots to not fly. Other aircraft types have a better MEL in case one or few instruments/items are not working.
Interesting, thank you for that information. To my knowledge so far, it was "lack of spare parts". This info seems to be a bit more precise.
It's a combination of things:
1. If there is an issue, it takes time to find out how serious it is, if it prohibits them from flying etc due to a lack of a (proper) MEL
2. Technicians are not readily available at many stations for this type of aircraft
3. Spare parts are not readily available at many stations
4. Even if all that is fine, CityJet has crew shortages which caused a big part of the cancelations this summer

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Hello, newcomer here. I just wanted to ask if its true the SSJs will stay with SN? It sounds as if they will only swap the BMA flight to A319, but the rest of the routes will be kept with the wet-lease flights with the Sukhois, can anybody else verify if this is true?

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Wayfarer515 wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 17:01
Hello, newcomer here. I just wanted to ask if its true the SSJs will stay with SN? It sounds as if they will only swap the BMA flight to A319, but the rest of the routes will be kept with the wet-lease flights with the Sukhois, can anybody else verify if this is true?

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The CityJet contract with Brussels Airlines expires in March 2019. Knowing the problems with the SSJ100s, it is unlikely to be extended.
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sn26567 wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 18:01
Wayfarer515 wrote:
20 Oct 2018, 17:01
Hello, newcomer here. I just wanted to ask if its true the SSJs will stay with SN? It sounds as if they will only swap the BMA flight to A319, but the rest of the routes will be kept with the wet-lease flights with the Sukhois, can anybody else verify if this is true?

BR.
Welcome to Aviation24, Wayfarer.

The CityJet contract with Brussels Airlines expires in March 2019. Knowing the problems with the SSJ100s, it is unlikely to be extended.
Contract won't be extended with the SSJ but they might keep it with Cityjet operating with CRJ's or something else.
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