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Passenger wrote: 10 Jul 2018, 10:37
Belga-journalist wrote: 10 Jul 2018, 10:17 Let's end the discussion and focus on Brussels Airlines again :-)
Well, there is an interesting new fact indeed - which I have already mentionned a few days ago: the Brussels Airlines nv/sa annual account 2017 has been published. If president Trump would comment on it, he would say: "it's not good. It's bad. It's very bad".

This is what I wrote about it: an operational profit of 3,92m € but a final loss of 61,87m €. Mainly due to the repayment of government aid (40,1m), increasing costs of the 22/03/2016 terror attack to 76m and insurers refuse to cover all of it) and the integration of Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium.

There must be someone with accountancy experience here?
http://cri.nbb.be/bc9/web/catalog?lang= ... 0400853488

Verrry off topic: same applies for the Air Belgium sa/nv annual account 2017:
http://cri.nbb.be/bc9/web/catalog?lang= ... 0648801623
Picked up by the Flemish newspapers today (Dutch):

Brussels Airlines rapporteert nettoverlies van meer dan 60 miljoen euro in 2017

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Does anyone have a subscription to ch-aviation.ch for this article:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... t-contract

If there is someone, would a short summary (although we can take a guess by the title the contract with CityJet seems to be ending) be possible to be written?

Thanks!

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theeuropean wrote: 17 Jul 2018, 13:44 Does anyone have a subscription to ch-aviation.ch for this article:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... t-contract

If there is someone, would a short summary (although we can take a guess by the title the contract with CityJet seems to be ending) be possible to be written?

Thanks!
Without a ch-aviation subscription, but from another source:

Brussels Airlines hopes to phase out the four SSJ100s wet-leased from CityJet (Ireland) ahead of the March 2019 expiration date, as the Belgian carrier is not satisfied with the availability of the aircraft overall. Capacity will be made up with other CityJet aircraft, with another partner, or with their own aircraft.
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Brussels Airlines to offer new A319 service on Brussels – Monastir – Djerba - Brussels routing from 29 October 2018.
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Cathay Pacific last week announced codeshare partnership with brussels airlines, commencing on 26JUL18. Initially the codeshare partnership is unilateral, with following brussels airlines operating service carrying CX-coded flight numbers.

Cathay Pacific operated by brussels airlines
Brussels – Berlin Tegel
Brussels – Hamburg
Brussels – Lyon
Brussels – Marseille
Brussels – Oslo
Brussels – Prague
Brussels – Toulouse

source : airlineroute
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CTBke wrote: 20 Jul 2018, 16:30 Cathay Pacific last week announced codeshare partnership with brussels airlines, commencing on 26JUL18. Initially the codeshare partnership is unilateral, with following brussels airlines operating service carrying CX-coded flight numbers.

Cathay Pacific operated by brussels airlines
Brussels – Berlin Tegel
Brussels – Hamburg
Brussels – Lyon
Brussels – Marseille
Brussels – Oslo
Brussels – Prague
Brussels – Toulouse

source : airlineroute
That's indeed what we wrote on 12 July: 😉

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... customers/
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According to this article on De Tijd (in dutch);
Brussels Airlines weighs on Lufthansa results.

Summary:
Interruption due to extreme weather and strikes such as at Brussels Airlines weighed on the results of Lufthansa in the second quarter, according to the half-year figures.
The division with Eurowings and Brussels Airlines saw a fall of the operating profit by 92,7 percent to 55 million EUR in the second quarter.
The main objective for Eurowings (including Brussels Airlines) is to increase profitability to the level of the main competitors in the coming years, following the significant capacity expansion.

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Flying Scout wrote: 01 Aug 2018, 14:34 Which significant capacity expansion for Brussels Airlines???
They mean expansion for Eurowings after taking over Air Berlin

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brabel wrote: 01 Aug 2018, 15:01
Flying Scout wrote: 01 Aug 2018, 14:34 Which significant capacity expansion for Brussels Airlines???
They mean expansion for Eurowings after taking over Air Berlin
Don't forget the additional SN A330 and its two A340s flying for Eurowings
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brabel wrote: 01 Aug 2018, 15:01
Flying Scout wrote: 01 Aug 2018, 14:34 Which significant capacity expansion for Brussels Airlines???
They mean expansion for Eurowings after taking over Air Berlin
Actually, with "Eurowings", Lufthansa's CFO referred to the Eurowings Group. De Tijd initially called them "the division with Eurowings and Brussels Airlines".

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Of course SN expanded - please try to stick to figures and not to emotions - Thomas Cook integration meant +10% expansion ...

What do you expect?

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According to this article on Hln.be (in dutch);
185 passengers of Brussels Airlines are stuck for already two days on Tenerife.

Summary:
The flight was cancelled after the aircraft's tires were damaged during take-off by FOD. Today a new flight was planned but after several hours it became clear the repair would take more time and passengers would have to stay another night.
Passengers complain about lack of information and conditions.
Brussels Airlines regrets that the communication went so badly as they have no staff present and depend on the local handling agency.

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I have questions now that Brussels Airlines becomes eurowings.

What with the frequent flyer programme?

What in case of canceled flight, still rerouted on other airlines?

Will the customer handling will be of the same quality ?

I have heard stories that eurowings are struggeling with delays and cancelations? Correct?

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b.lufthansa wrote: 13 Aug 2018, 09:14 I have questions now that Brussels Airlines becomes eurowings.

What with the frequent flyer programme?

What in case of canceled flight, still rerouted on other airlines?

Will the customer handling will be of the same quality ?

I have heard stories that eurowings are struggeling with delays and cancelations? Correct?
Well EW has it's own frequent flyer program Boomerang so it might happen Boomerang will replace Loop in the future

They'll still reroute you on other airliners, the LH group to get you as quick as possible at your final destination

they do have a lot of delays and cancellations at the moment, also due to the same problem as SN and many others have which are the ATC slots and technical like SN has with their Sukhois from Cityjet EW has some technical problems too since they have LGW operating for them too
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Hi,

That's not exact what I read in several EW stories...
They reroute you but only on EW flights not via LH,LX flights or others....

Boomerang exist indeed, but FF programs are a joke anyway nowadays if not pro.

In fact EW is just another Ryanair,Easyjet....

Hope SN can extend being SN for a time...
I'll pass for EW ,...

If you want some better options in case of... And want to spend a bit more... Book LH of LX through FRA,ZRH,MUC..


But it won't certainly NOT better from now for thé belgian flyer..
Like Hungary stuck with only 1 big LCC !!!!

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cathay belgium wrote: 13 Aug 2018, 11:52 Hi,

That's not exact what I read in several EW stories...
They reroute you but only on EW flights not via LH,LX flights or others....

Boomerang exist indeed, but FF programs are a joke anyway nowadays if not pro.

In fact EW is just another Ryanair,Easyjet....

Hope SN can extend being SN for a time...
I'll pass for EW ,...

If you want some better options in case of... And want to spend a bit more... Book LH of LX through FRA,ZRH,MUC..


But it won't certainly NOT better from now for thé belgian flyer..
Like Hungary stuck with only 1 big LCC !!!!

CXB
out of Germany indeed they rebook you on later EW flights .. but once the SN European network is implemented I wish them good luck in rerouting on EW only ... isn't there a sort of European Law which prevents endless connecting flights to arrive at your destination ?
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So a detoriation on the service provided to passengers.

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b.lufthansa wrote: 13 Aug 2018, 09:14 I have questions now that Brussels Airlines becomes eurowings.

What with the frequent flyer programme?
Remember that you can still select Miles&More on SN. Which I do myself, since I also get M&M on my SN credit card!
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Is it so far I can not find the press release that Brussels Airlines is becoming Eurowings!!!!
I imagine this is internal news from somebody???
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lumumba wrote: 13 Aug 2018, 18:30 Is it so far I can not find the press release that Brussels Airlines is becoming Eurowings!!!!
I imagine this is internal news from somebody???
Some articles:
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... ines-2019/
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... -airlines/
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... economist/

And the decisions of mid-December 2016 (purchase of the last 55% by Lufthansa and integration into the Eurowings Group):
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... -together/
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... s-not-yet/
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