Ryanair cabin crew strike 25 and 26 July 2018 - cockpit strike 10 August

[luchtzak]

Ryanair pilots based in The Netherlands have joined their Belgian, German, Irish and Swedish colleagues to strike next Friday, 10 August. With reservation as tomorrow (9 August) Ryanair is going to court to prevent the Dutch based pilot strike.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryan ... 10-august/

[OO-ITR]

Ryanair pilots based in The Netherlands have joined their Belgian, German, Irish and Swedish colleagues to strike next Friday, 10 August. With reservation as tomorrow (9 August) Ryanair is going to court to prevent the Dutch based pilot strike.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryan ... 10-august/

Polish Ryanair will be VERY happy. A lot of aircraft and staff based in Polish airports

[Passenger]

There is no judgement yet in the Dutch court case Ryanair <-> VNV trade Union. But this article on Dutch public broadcast NOS explains why Ryanair went to court in the Netherlands only (and why they may succeed):
https://nos.nl/artikel/2245331-kort-ged ... ingen.html

[luchtzak]

There is no judgement yet in the Dutch court case Ryanair <-> VNV trade Union. But this article on Dutch public broadcast NOS explains why Ryanair went to court in the Netherlands only (and why they may succeed):
https://nos.nl/artikel/2245331-kort-ged ... ingen.html

Ruling at 18:45

[luchtzak]

In my opinion: if they are not allowed to strike, the pilots will massively call in sick or not fit to perform their duties.

[Passenger]

In my opinion: if they are not allowed to strike, the pilots will massively call in sick or not fit to perform their duties.

Dutch judges don't like it that there is much damage to people not involved in the conflict, so I would bet on a limited permission to strike: 4 days notice and a maximum of a few hours only.

[DIBO]

Dutch court ruled that strike can go on
https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/241 ... -gaat-door

[Passenger]

Dutch court ruled that strike can go on
https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/241 ... -gaat-door

What a victory: "we may screw the passengers!" More then 4.000 Dutch passengers will now receive an e-mail that their flight is cancelled, that rebooking is only possible at Ryanair's conditions and on Ryanair flights only, that costs will not be reimbursed and that they won't get the EU indemnity (unless ordered by court).

[nordikcam]

Dutch court ruled that strike can go on
https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/241 ... -gaat-door

What a victory: "we may screw the passengers!" More then 4.000 Dutch passengers will now receive an e-mail that their flight is cancelled, that rebooking is only possible at Ryanair's conditions and on Ryanair flights only, that costs will not be reimbursed and that they won't get the EU indemnity (unless ordered by court).

And these 4000 Dutch passengers will discover tonight the "politique" of Ryanair? Surprising !

[KriVa]

Dear Passenger, you seem very good at ignoring this question again and again. Fortunately, I’m very good at asking the question again and again: what is the alternative you propose?

[DIBO]

What a victory: "we may screw the passengers!"

No, the underlying message from this ruling is, an employer may not unlimited screw its employees for more than a decade, even if the unfortunate consequence is that passengers for the first time in a decade, will be hit by large scale employee actions. But passengers have already been screwed many more times by Ryanair itself and continues to do so by refusing to respect the legal rights of thousands of passengers.
If even a court, with a proven 'strike restricting' attitude, rules in favor for a 24h strike, without imposing limitations, then you have to admit that Ryanair clearly lost this gamble in Dutch court.
And when the first emotions from this ruling subside, I doubt that any striking crew will feel as a victor. The battle is still very long and will be fierce.

[sn26567]

Test Achats/Aankoop is going to court on behalf of 50 passengers to whom Ryanair refused to pay the EU261 compensation after the cancellations of 25/26 July. Hearings will be held at the Justice de paix of Charleroi and the Vredegerecht of Zaventem. These are the 50 first claimants, members of the association, on the list. Others will follow.

[luchtzak]

[Passenger]

Dear Passenger, you seem very good at ignoring this question again and again. Fortunately, I’m very good at asking the question again and again: what is the alternative you propose?

I have already answered your question several times. But unfortunately, you don't read my answer. Just a few examples I gave: load fuel for a possible divertion to Cancun. Stop selling scratch lotery tickets on all flights. Go to a Belgian labour court and ask that the court rules that your labour contract is subject to Belgian labour legislation. Go to Dublin and bully O'Leary personally, in stead of bullying the passengers.

So let me ask you now the same question again - question you have not answered yet. Who will refund the costs that passengers now have to make?

And another question: some collegues have organized a travel package with FR flights. Travel legislation now forces them to buy other flights for the passengers. Have you any idea how much 5 last minutes tickets to Venice cost for a Friday evening? Have you any idea how that travel agent feels, knowing that no one will reimburse those extremely expensive tickets?

[Boeing767copilot]

The best news for the customers in The Netherlands.

[sean1982]

Dear Passenger, you seem very good at ignoring this question again and again. Fortunately, I’m very good at asking the question again and again: what is the alternative you propose?

Im still waiting for an answer to my question too, being anti everything is a lot easier then coming up with answers that do not border on ridiculousness it seems

The lady asked that the Dutch court would declare itself competent/qualified, and the Dutch court did. Then the lady demanded 34.561 €, and the court has condemned Ryanair to pay 34.561 € (plus 5.761 € costs). Maybe that's "a few breadcrumbs" for you, but I think that she will disagree with you.

She probably would, how does that benefit a crew member in CRL who joined 1 month ago, broke his foot and as a consequence doesnt have income?

[Passenger]

It's good to see that not all Ryanair pilots support the trade unions madness.

The first FR flights out of Eindhoven this morning are enroute, apparently thanks to Belgian pilots:
https://www.ed.nl/airport/pilotenstakin ... ~abb7876c/

[sn26567]

Indeed. It looks like the EIN flights are operated either with pilots from foreign bases or with self-employed pilots, half of them Belgian. That will for sure create tensions among pilots.

[Passenger]

She probably would, how does that benefit a crew member in CRL who joined 1 month ago, broke his foot and as a consequence doesnt have income?

Fourth time I answer this question:

that CRL-based crew member has to file a court case with the Charleroi Labour Tribunal (Arbeidsrechtbank), and ask for application of EU Judgement C-168/16 (14th Sept 2017, known as “Sandra Nogueira vs Crewlink Ireland”). The CRL-based crew member should then ask that the Charleroi Tribunal de travail annuls the Crewlink clausule that excludes a basic salary in case of sickness/temporary invalidity. And the CRL-based crew member should ask that the Charleroi Tribunal de travail states that Belgian labour legislation applies for Belgium-based crew.

For the fourth time: this is not difficult and it's not surrealism. Actually it's a piece of cake for trade union lawyers. Just read 3.3 in this Dutch appeal court verdict from last month: a Polish FR customer service supervisor, based at Eindhoven, has won such a court case against Ryanair, based upon the above EU Judgement:
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inzie ... :2018:2826

[sean1982]

She probably would, how does that benefit a crew member in CRL who joined 1 month ago, broke his foot and as a consequence doesnt have income?

Fourth time I answer this question:

that CRL-based crew member has to file a court case with the Charleroi Labour Tribunal (Arbeidsrechtbank), and ask for application of EU Judgement C-168/16 (14th Sept 2017, known as “Sandra Nogueira vs Crewlink Ireland”). The CRL-based crew member should then ask that the Charleroi Tribunal de travail annuls the Crewlink clausule that excludes a basic salary in case of sickness/temporary invalidity. And the CRL-based crew member should ask that the Charleroi Tribunal de travail states that Belgian labour legislation applies for Belgium-based crew.

For the fourth time: this is not difficult and it's not surrealism. Actually it's a piece of cake for trade union lawyers. Just read 3.3 in this Dutch appeal court verdict from last month: a Polish FR customer service supervisor, based at Eindhoven, has won such a court case against Ryanair, based upon the above EU Judgement:
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inzie ... :2018:2826

So you are suggesting that all employees are launching a court case paid by whom? Themselves? If they cant even sustain themselves? Secondly, if they would (all of them) then Ryanair would suspend them .... the result would be the same as a strike, only longer with no end date. You’re even more disconnected from reality than I thought.