Ryanair cabin crew strike 25 and 26 July 2018 - cockpit strike 10 August

[nordikcam]

SM/bondage is not among the forum's mission goals, AFAIK

[Passenger]

This topic is not about knowing how to fly a Ryanair 737. This topic is about strikes. And thus about passengers rights, because passengers have rights from the very moment that the airline confirms their flight. The whole Belgian travel trade knows and accepts this principle. Sometimes we don’t like it, but we accept it. So why don’t the aviation guys here accept that principle too?

That being said: the main demand seems to be that employees want local labour contracts. Which is fair and logical indeed, for me too. Well, there is a much easier why to get this then by going on strike. Employees can go to their local labour court and ask that court to state that they must have a local contract. They only have to refer to Judgement C-168/16 from the EU Court of Justice from 14th Sept 2017, known as “Sandra Nogueira vs Crewlink Ireland”. In that Judgement, the EU Court has ruled that local labour courts may overrule Ryanair/Crewlink labour contracts stating that only the Irish labour legislation applies.
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf? ... anguage=en

Too difficult? Surrealism? No, piece of cake for trade union lawyers. Just read 3.3 in this Dutch appeal court verdict from last month: a Polish FR customer service supervisor, based at Eindhoven, has won such a court case against Ryanair, based upon the above EU Judgement:
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inzie ... :2018:2826

[Airbus330lover]

I know why I do not fly Ryanair. There are many reasons often shared by others that I fully share! I understand less that the EU does not impose on Ryanair its regulation in the European sky ... and forbids it to fly if this regulation is not observed.

Should be the best solution

[sean1982]

Play the ball or play the player?

And, err, if "real life" is the point, on an "aviation" forum, whom of them twain has ever been at the controls of an aircraft? Is that not the ultimate point of "real life" "aviation"?

Above all, I stand by my earlier word: none should complain this forum isn't fun to read, because there is no obligation. SM/bondage is not among the forum's mission goals, AFAIK

Just so you know, I have a few hours under my belt in a C172 and a DA40 too (next to about 10000 hrs commercially in the cabin), do I qualify to talk with the grown ups now?

This topic is not about knowing how to fly a Ryanair 737. This topic is about strikes. And thus about passengers rights, because passengers have rights from the very moment that the airline confirms their flight. The whole Belgian travel trade knows and accepts this principle. Sometimes we don’t like it, but we accept it. So why don’t the aviation guys here accept that principle too?

That being said: the main demand seems to be that employees want local labour contracts. Which is fair and logical indeed, for me too. Well, there is a much easier why to get this then by going on strike. Employees can go to their local labour court and ask that court to state that they must have a local contract. They only have to refer to Judgement C-168/16 from the EU Court of Justice from 14th Sept 2017, known as “Sandra Nogueira vs Crewlink Ireland”. In that Judgement, the EU Court has ruled that local labour courts may overrule Ryanair/Crewlink labour contracts stating that only the Irish labour legislation applies.
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf? ... anguage=en

Too difficult? Surrealism? No, piece of cake for trade union lawyers. Just read 3.3 in this Dutch appeal court verdict from last month: a Polish FR customer service supervisor, based at Eindhoven, has won such a court case against Ryanair, based upon the above EU Judgement:
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inzie ... :2018:2826

yes and what has it achieved in the bigger picture? Next to nothing. It's not because you have been thrown a few breadcrumbs, that the whole population has been saved so to speak. Strikes at Ryanair are highly justified.

[jan_olieslagers]

Wow! I do am be amazed! Still, it leaves all freedom to read this forum or not. So please do not complain that reading brings no pleasure. You want it or you don't.

[Passenger]

...the main demand seems to be that employees want local labour contracts. Which is fair and logical indeed, for me too. Well, there is a much easier why to get this then by going on strike. Employees can go to their local labour court and ask that court to state that they must have a local contract. They only have to refer to Judgement C-168/16 from the EU Court of Justice from 14th Sept 2017, known as “Sandra Nogueira vs Crewlink Ireland”. In that Judgement, the EU Court has ruled that local labour courts may overrule Ryanair/Crewlink labour contracts stating that only the Irish labour legislation applies.
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf? ... anguage=en

Too difficult? Surrealism? No, piece of cake for trade union lawyers. Just read 3.3 in this Dutch appeal court verdict from last month: a Polish FR customer service supervisor, based at Eindhoven, has won such a court case against Ryanair, based upon the above EU Judgement:
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inzie ... :2018:2826

yes and what has it achieved in the bigger picture? Next to nothing. It's not because you have been thrown a few breadcrumbs, that the whole population has been saved so to speak. Strikes at Ryanair are highly justified.

The lady asked that the Dutch court would declare itself competent/qualified, and the Dutch court did. Then the lady demanded 34.561 €, and the court has condemned Ryanair to pay 34.561 € (plus 5.761 € costs). Maybe that's "a few breadcrumbs" for you, but I think that she will disagree with you.

[sean1982]

...the main demand seems to be that employees want local labour contracts. Which is fair and logical indeed, for me too. Well, there is a much easier why to get this then by going on strike. Employees can go to their local labour court and ask that court to state that they must have a local contract. They only have to refer to Judgement C-168/16 from the EU Court of Justice from 14th Sept 2017, known as “Sandra Nogueira vs Crewlink Ireland”. In that Judgement, the EU Court has ruled that local labour courts may overrule Ryanair/Crewlink labour contracts stating that only the Irish labour legislation applies.
http://curia.europa.eu/juris/liste.jsf? ... anguage=en

Too difficult? Surrealism? No, piece of cake for trade union lawyers. Just read 3.3 in this Dutch appeal court verdict from last month: a Polish FR customer service supervisor, based at Eindhoven, has won such a court case against Ryanair, based upon the above EU Judgement:
https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/inzie ... :2018:2826

yes and what has it achieved in the bigger picture? Next to nothing. It's not because you have been thrown a few breadcrumbs, that the whole population has been saved so to speak. Strikes at Ryanair are highly justified.

The lady asked that the Dutch court would declare itself competent/qualified, and the Dutch court did. Then the lady demanded 34.561 €, and the court has condemned Ryanair to pay 34.561 € (plus 5.761 € costs). Maybe that's "a few breadcrumbs" for you, but I think that she will disagree with you.

She probably would, how does that benefit a crew member in CRL who joined 1 month ago, broke his foot and as a consequence doesnt have income?

[brabel]

All you care about is passenger rights. Good. Fantastic. We all got the point too. Passenger have rights, yes. But you can’t blame the employees for not respecting their rights. You just can’t. And as already said many times by others, these passengers paying peanuts to fly with Ryanair perfectly know which airline they are flying with from the moment they buy their ticket online... do we need to feel sorry for them? Probably, their travel plans are destroyed. But they knew the risks when choosing them.

I'm sorry, but I cannot agree with your last sentence especially.
It's not because someone chooses to fly ryanair, they "know" that their plane won't take off.
It's not because people want to fly on low fares that they agree with a cancelled flight.

According to your statement: if someone buys some cheap car, they know their car won't last long?
You want what you pay for. If you buy a cheap car, you want it to drive.
If you buy a cheap airline ticket, you want to fly.

And yes, you should feel sorry for everyone that's affected by a strike.

[sn26567]

A conciliation meeting at Ryanair offices this morning didn't result in an agreement. Therefore the strike of 10 August will go on, according to union sources.

[Airbus330lover]

And .... another idea....
strike aborted by the cockpit crews on auguet 9... fly empty planes, the PAX have found other solutions.....
Max costs for MOL,

[sn26567]

And .... another idea....
strike aborted by the cockpit crews on auguet 9... fly empty planes, the PAX have found other solutions.....
Max costs for MOL,

Impossible: Ryanair has already cancelled the flights. If the pilots report to work, they will be sent home. (But they might keep their pay?)

[sn26567]

From the 104 flights cancelled in Belgium, 82 will be at Charleroi (41 outgoing and 41 incoming), which represents 70% of the Ryanair traffic at that airport. The remaining 30% are mostly operated from foreign bases.

[sean1982]

And .... another idea....
strike aborted by the cockpit crews on auguet 9... fly empty planes, the PAX have found other solutions.....
Max costs for MOL,

Do you think pilots can just walk up to any company airplane and fly it without an filed flight plan, without dispatching and refueling arranged, and take it for a spin when they are actually on strike?

[mad_fab]

Do you think pilots can just walk up to any company airplane and fly it without an filed flight plan, without dispatching and refueling arranged, and take it for a spin when they are actually on strike?

I think that what he means is :

Advertise the strike as much as possible so PAX find other solutions, then cancel the strike last minute so the flight will take place with very few PAX.

[KriVa]

As has been mentioned earlier: that wouldn’t work, since the flights are cancelled. Hence, no flight plans, no fuel, no crew transport etc. etc.

[euroflyer]

German FR pilots will go on strike at 10 August as well

https://www.vcockpit.de/presse/pressemi ... ir-an.html

[Passenger]

Ryanair asks a Dutch Judge to forbit that the Dutch Airline Pilots Association (VNV) will organize a strike this summer. The court case is due on Thursday 9th August, 15h30, Haarlem.

[sn26567]

As striking is a universal right, I don't think this will be a difficult case. But MoL can Always try his luck.

Dutch courts are known to sometimes limiting the right to strike. Last example: security officers at Schiphol were allowed to strike only 15 minutes three times a day last week; they had asked for five times a day.

[Passenger]

As striking is a universal right, I don't think this will be a difficult case. But MoL can Always try his luck.

Universal right indeed, but in most countries it's not regulated and thus not unlimited. Just a few days ago, a Dutch judge has limited the strike by security staff at Amsterdam to max 15 minutes, max 5 times each day, and with an interval. Much to the relief of passengers, who have nothing to do with salary negociations.

[sn26567]

From the 104 flights cancelled in Belgium, 82 will be at Charleroi (41 outgoing and 41 incoming), which represents 70% of the Ryanair traffic at that airport. The remaining 30% are mostly operated from foreign bases.

In addition to the 82 flights cancelled in CRL, Ryanair will cancel 26 of its 46 daily flights to/from BRU on 10 August, said Brussels Airport Company.

The total of cancelled flights in Belgium is thus 108.