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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by KriVa » 23 May 2018, 07:57

SFE will apparently sit idle for a few months before being introduced to the fleet.
Any specific reason why this is, and whether the same thing will happen to SFD?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DeltaWiskey » 24 May 2018, 20:00

KriVa wrote:
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SFE will apparently sit idle for a few months before being introduced to the fleet.
Any specific reason why this is, and whether the same thing will happen to SFD?
SFD's cabin will be cannibalised to refit SFC. SFD will be stored until next winter when the new cabin is going to be installed.

SFE is another story, but I believe the 2 main points are: not enough crew (pilot & cabin, some crews will already by mobilised to operated SFC and it's not like there is a surplus of crews at the moment) and to a lesser extent, the a/c is not in SN "standard" yet (for things like EFB, emergency equipment, IFE, etc).
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 24 May 2018, 20:29

can't they replace older Airbusses with those like SFM/N/O ?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DeltaWiskey » 24 May 2018, 21:05

That's the whole point of the long haul renewal exercise. The "new" aircraft are just arriving a few months too soon.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Airbus2016 » 03 Jun 2018, 16:05

Does anybody has an overview when the new a330’s enter in service? Because i see a lot of pictures of new arrivals but when will they finally replace the older ones?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 04 Jun 2018, 17:15

DeltaWiskey wrote:
24 May 2018, 21:05
That's the whole point of the long haul renewal exercise. The "new" aircraft are just arriving a few months too soon.
and thus they can't simply advance the introduction into the fleet and letting SFM N O go ?
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RoMax » 04 Jun 2018, 17:27

CTBke wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 17:15
DeltaWiskey wrote:
24 May 2018, 21:05
That's the whole point of the long haul renewal exercise. The "new" aircraft are just arriving a few months too soon.
and thus they can't simply advance the introduction into the fleet and letting SFM N O go ?
If the new cabin is not ready yet and with very expensive early lease terminations, that's not of much use.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by CTBke » 05 Jun 2018, 12:43

aren't those already for the scrapyard? don't think a new carrier will lease those old birds… but it'll have it's reason why they don't swap them already (most likely for the cabin as it was announced they would introduce a new cabin)
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Stij » 06 Jun 2018, 08:27

CTBke wrote:
05 Jun 2018, 12:43
aren't those already for the scrapyard? don't think a new carrier will lease those old birds… but it'll have it's reason why they don't swap them already (most likely for the cabin as it was announced they would introduce a new cabin)
Wasn't Airbus interested in them to see how their planes aged?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by Conti764 » 06 Jun 2018, 09:17

RoMax wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 17:27
CTBke wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 17:15
DeltaWiskey wrote:
24 May 2018, 21:05
That's the whole point of the long haul renewal exercise. The "new" aircraft are just arriving a few months too soon.
and thus they can't simply advance the introduction into the fleet and letting SFM N O go ?
If the new cabin is not ready yet and with very expensive early lease terminations, that's not of much use.
But the leases for these 'new' planes have to be paid as well, I assume? Why not store M/N/O until their lease expires and in the mean time deploy the newer jets resulting in more reliability, cheaper operating costs and a higher payload thus revenue? It's not like it takes forever to switch cabins between the old and the newer birds...

Keep one or two old birds standby for whenever an issue would turn up... No external party involved, fewer delays..

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by C96C » 06 Jun 2018, 11:57

A320 n°16 (OO-SNK) is on the Belgian register since today (6/6):
MSN 3373, ex Aeroflot VP-BQU, GECAS OE-IGK


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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by RoMax » 06 Jun 2018, 18:58

Conti764 wrote:
06 Jun 2018, 09:17
But the leases for these 'new' planes have to be paid as well, I assume? Why not store M/N/O until their lease expires and in the mean time deploy the newer jets resulting in more reliability, cheaper operating costs and a higher payload thus revenue? It's not like it takes forever to switch cabins between the old and the newer birds...

Keep one or two old birds standby for whenever an issue would turn up... No external party involved, fewer delays..
It isn't that simple. But first of all, please keep in mind that the official role of OO-SFC is already as 'hot spare', it's not absolutely needed to perform the current schedule, but as from next week it will be available to bring relief to the rest of the fleet during the busy summer.

For the others a few remarks why it wouldn't work or not be a good idea:
- Even though some of the will be idle for some time this year, putting them in commercial service would put a lot of pressure on maintenance which is already very busy with the large number of phase ins and phase outs this year. For heavier work you need slots at other MRO organizations at the right time
- Those aircraft have no SN cabins, their configurations are not matching that of SN and the product/cabin is different, galleys are different, etc. SFC went through a light cabin modification to partly solve that and it will continue to fly like this for quite some time so it's worth the investment (and yet it will still have a CX interior of course). So why complexifying this even more by adding 2 or 3 more of these (some with CX and others with SQ cabin without even full lie flat seats), replacing A333's in SN interior, with known galley configurations, etc for just 'a few months'
- Cabin modifications take time and don't come in cheaply. The full cabin retrofit planned for all new A333's is very extensive and will require many weeks of ground time. How do you fit that in the planning if they are already operational and you left the old ones on the ground doing nothing? Put them back in service for a month for that...?
- Leases for the old ladies either continue or you pay for expensive early terminations. In this case money wasted on external leasing companies. The new A333's are from what I know in most (if not all cases) bought by LHG from the lessor and leased to SN under special internal conditions, so not so much of a drama that you have to put these on the ground for some months (I don't even know if SN is actually paying for them in the meantime)

All in all it would cost a lot more, put pressure on teams to rush the phase in of even more widebodies in such short timeframe, result in an absolute nightmare in terms of product and operational consistency with even more variations in cabin and galley lay outs (and even different seat numbers), etc for maybe a few less AOG's in H2 2018 and the first months of 2019. All this while you already have SFC as a spare and with a relative OK configuration to fit operations and sales as they invested in it as it fits like that in the full fleet roll over plan.


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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DannyVDB » 09 Jun 2018, 15:02

I see that SN plans to have more SSJ's

See https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/brussels

I assume one remains for some time 'inactive', another would be a kind of reserve. 5 could become operational. Or would SN go for 7 in total?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by TLspotting » 09 Jun 2018, 15:28

I think the contract will be broken soon by Brussels Airlines...
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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by nordikcam » 09 Jun 2018, 16:57

TLspotting wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 15:28
I think the contract will be broken soon by Brussels Airlines...
Hum...interesting and replaced by...?

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by DannyVDB » 09 Jun 2018, 16:58

Maybe, but what makes you think/say that?

What could replace the SSJ. Some routes are thin and can't sustain A319, some airports can't host them ...

So what would be the solution.

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by pitrixplanespotting » 09 Jun 2018, 20:10

DannyVDB wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 16:58
Maybe, but what makes you think/say that?

What could replace the SSJ. Some routes are thin and can't sustain A319, some airports can't host them ...

So what would be the solution.

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Embraer from Lufthansa, maybe CS100 from Swiss? :lol:

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Re: Brussels Airlines' fleet renewal

Post by AIRMARSHAL » 09 Jun 2018, 23:38

perhaps Cityjets' CRJ-900 series

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