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sn26567 wrote: 16 May 2018, 00:04 Hereunder a list of the flights that will be operated on 16 May, the second day of the strike. One will notice that two African flights are on the list.
It looks like these were cancelled too after all. But otoh, all l/h returned to BRU this morning.

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ATW:

Lufthansa subsidiary Austrian Airlines does not have strong enough finances to renew its long-haul fleet in the near future, Lufthansa chairman & CEO Carsten Spohr told ATW. “Ten percent of our [Lufthansa Group] aircraft is based in Austria, but only 4% of the group’s profit is generated there. The refinancing for a new intercontinental fleet for Austrian is unaffordable right now,” Spohr said. He added that Austrian has not fully developed its potential and there is ...

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Boeing767copilot wrote: 16 May 2018, 21:05 ATW:

Lufthansa subsidiary Austrian Airlines does not have strong enough finances to renew its long-haul fleet in the near future, Lufthansa chairman & CEO Carsten Spohr told ATW. “Ten percent of our [Lufthansa Group] aircraft is based in Austria, but only 4% of the group’s profit is generated there. The refinancing for a new intercontinental fleet for Austrian is unaffordable right now,” Spohr said. He added that Austrian has not fully developed its potential and there is ...
Not to worry... I'm sure that eventually Norwegian will come to Vienna (and Brussels) with brand new aircraft and offer long haul routes. Its pretty amazing to see what routes Norwegian already operates from the New York area airports (JFK. EWR and SWF)... probably close to 20 European cities so its just a matter of time before BRU & VIE are connected as well. You snooze, you loose

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The second conciliation meeting between the Brussels Airlines management and the trade unions ended without an agreement, after more than fifteen hours of negotiations to resolve the social conflict among the pilots.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... agreement/

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Boeing767copilot wrote: 16 May 2018, 21:05 ATW:

Lufthansa subsidiary Austrian Airlines does not have strong enough finances to renew its long-haul fleet in the near future, Lufthansa chairman & CEO Carsten Spohr told ATW. “Ten percent of our [Lufthansa Group] aircraft is based in Austria, but only 4% of the group’s profit is generated there. The refinancing for a new intercontinental fleet for Austrian is unaffordable right now,” Spohr said. He added that Austrian has not fully developed its potential and there is ...
Quite a lame excuse for not allow Austrian to renew its longhaul fleet. If you don't invest in new(er) aircraft, you lose. Austrian has a total of 12 longhaul aircraft, with an average age of 22.2y (for the B767) resp. 17.5y (for the B777). The 767 will have to go in a few years.

In my opinion, Spohr is using this kind of propaganda speech to prepare for the degradation of Austrian to a fully local-only carrier, stripping them of any longhaul capacity. It's the typical German way of having their "allies" do all the "dirty work" for them quite like house servants - and it doesn't make 'em LH-Krauts look sympathethic even for a second... but they have the money, so they can call the shots, unfortunately.
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Several hundred years ago, merchants inscribed on a wall in Amsterdam "De kost gaat voor de baat uit" - "cost comes first, then comes profit".

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Boeing767copilot wrote: 16 May 2018, 21:05 ATW:

Lufthansa subsidiary Austrian Airlines does not have strong enough finances to renew its long-haul fleet in the near future, Lufthansa chairman & CEO Carsten Spohr told ATW. “Ten percent of our [Lufthansa Group] aircraft is based in Austria, but only 4% of the group’s profit is generated there. The refinancing for a new intercontinental fleet for Austrian is unaffordable right now,” Spohr said. He added that Austrian has not fully developed its potential and there is ...
How about leasing them i.s.o. buying them? Same as SN.

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jan_olieslagers wrote: 17 May 2018, 13:14 Several hundred years ago, merchants inscribed on a wall in Amsterdam "De kost gaat voor de baat uit" - "cost comes first, then comes profit".
“My bonus comes first” is today’s version of that inscription.

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The events from Monday and Wednesday point more towards "après nous le déluge" - na mij de zondvloed.

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convair wrote: 17 May 2018, 13:31
Boeing767copilot wrote: 16 May 2018, 21:05 ATW:

Lufthansa subsidiary Austrian Airlines does not have strong enough finances to renew its long-haul fleet in the near future, Lufthansa chairman & CEO Carsten Spohr told ATW. “Ten percent of our [Lufthansa Group] aircraft is based in Austria, but only 4% of the group’s profit is generated there. The refinancing for a new intercontinental fleet for Austrian is unaffordable right now,” Spohr said. He added that Austrian has not fully developed its potential and there is ...
In my book there are 2 ways to run an airline....
You can either invest/expand wisely... you have to spend money to make money, thats a fact in any business... and you can get OS and SN to operate A350s or 787s and be able to offer a top product....
Or you can say they don't make enough money so they don't expand and they continue flying old A330s and 767s.

Its pretty clear that Spohr is only interested in LH, EW and LX... in the case of SN and OS he just wants the BRU and VIE traffic but not the airlines... so he comes up with a super lame excuse of no new planes...

Now he has a lovely excuse to wrap up things with SN... let the pilots strike and bring the airline down so EW can take things they want over... and the unions are falling for this trap... Too bad but anyway when the Belgian politicians made this agreement with LH they pretty much sealed the deal of the airline...

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Ansett wrote: 23 May 2018, 22:46 ...
... According to the article...
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It's not the first time that trade unions use a journalist in an ongoing social conflict with management. Hence: added value of this article = zero.

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Passenger wrote: 23 May 2018, 23:24
Ansett wrote: 23 May 2018, 22:46 ...
... According to the article...
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It's not the first time that trade unions use a journalist in an ongoing social conflict with management. Hence: added value of this article = zero.
Looks you are always right nice to discuss with you ;)
That's to easy please argue with some proof and please learn to listen to others....open your mind and discuss.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Passenger wrote: 23 May 2018, 23:24
Ansett wrote: 23 May 2018, 22:46 ...
... According to the article...
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It's not the first time that trade unions use a journalist in an ongoing social conflict with management. Hence: added value of this article = zero.
Easiest things is to shout “fake news”. Then it doesn’t need to be discussed. We all know another certain someone who’s very good at it.

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Passenger wrote: 23 May 2018, 23:24
Ansett wrote: 23 May 2018, 22:46 ...
... According to the article...
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It's not the first time that trade unions use a journalist in an ongoing social conflict with management. Hence: added value of this article = zero.
On the contrary I fi d this article very worrying.

1. Philippe Lawson, whom I know personally, is a very respected journalist.
2. This would be the first time ever that L'Echo works for the unions.
3. The positions of management and unions remain irreconcilable and that's bad news for the future of SN.
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While browsing through the flightradar24 departure board, I noticed plenty of cancellations and delays on SN flights operated by Superjets. According to the history this is happening now for a few weeks and it seems like 3-4 Superjets are on the ground right now. Is there any known reason or information when they will resume regular service?

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Maybe LH can start to replace those Sukhoi's with E-jets or Q400's (they have a lot of them at EW/LGW) as cityjet can't send in the RJ85 everytime to solve it
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aviation_flyer wrote: 24 May 2018, 13:27 While browsing through the flightradar24 departure board, I noticed plenty of cancellations and delays on SN flights operated by Superjets. According to the history this is happening now for a few weeks and it seems like 3-4 Superjets are on the ground right now. Is there any known reason or information when they will resume regular service?
I asked the question to SN last week and they replied that indeed one of the SSJ100s was AOG. Furthermore Sukhoi has very little spare parts available in Europe, which means that aircraft can remain AOG for a long time.
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sn26567 wrote: 24 May 2018, 19:12
aviation_flyer wrote: 24 May 2018, 13:27 While browsing through the flightradar24 departure board, I noticed plenty of cancellations and delays on SN flights operated by Superjets. According to the history this is happening now for a few weeks and it seems like 3-4 Superjets are on the ground right now. Is there any known reason or information when they will resume regular service?
I asked the question to SN last week and they replied that indeed one of the SSJ100s was AOG. Furthermore Sukhoi has very little spare parts available in Europe, which means that aircraft can remain AOG for a long time.
seems like they made an excellent choice opting for Cityjet's wetlease knowing it was a brand new aircraft with little to no spare parts ...
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There is an SLA clause in the contract, if it is not met due to technical failures, Brussels Airlines will be (financially) compensated in some way or another. That is of course no use for the passengers which journey is delayed... Anyway, I heard rumours that the CItyjet contract will not be renewed (under pressure from Lufthansa). But on the other hand, that sounds a bit strange as it was just extended with a 5th aircraft.

In my opinion, it would be more logical for a LH Group regional airline (Air Dolomiti, Cityline or LGW) to open a base in BRU and to operate flights for SN. However, I fear that all of them are more expensive than cityjet, which then kind of nullifies the need for a smaller aircraft below the SN A319.

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That’s really no good news. Hope they get the SSJs back in the air soon. It’s strange to see that they simply cancel these flights for weeks and don’t subcharter any equipment. But of course availability might be limited in high season.

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