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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by RTM » 06 Feb 2018, 18:57

Maybe wait with jumping to conclusions till tomorrow...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sean1982 » 06 Feb 2018, 19:02

RTM wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 18:57
Maybe wait with jumping to conclusions till tomorrow...
Maybe wait for a year or 2 ;)

PS: Its very easy to call people “haters” when they haven’t got the same opinion as you. There’s a wavy haired chicken filet in the USA who uses the same calimero tactic

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Passenger » 06 Feb 2018, 19:13

RTM wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 18:57
Maybe wait with jumping to conclusions till tomorrow...
That's just going to be another one of those trade unions shows. Eurowings is not going to disclose their short term and/or their long term business plan.

Tomorrow is an Ondernemingsraad/Conseil d'Entreprise. Een veredelde koffiebreak. Union delegates ask some questions, and management/ownership allways reply with "we don't know" - "we don't know yet" - "we cannot disclose the details" - "this question goes beyond the agenda from this meeting". And immediately after the meeting, the trade union delegates rush to the tv-cameras, to say that they are very disappiointed with / angry about the refusal from the CEO to give straight answers. So they will consider a strike.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 06 Feb 2018, 19:25

The extraordinary works council is at 0800, but at 0900 Thorsten Dirks will talk to all the employees. That should be the important meeting.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Conti764 » 06 Feb 2018, 21:46

Passenger wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 18:38
These are my conclusions from last weekend and Monday:

1. total madness from the trade unions, who must have known what was on table, but yet tried to put the house on fire. Only excuse for their stupid behaviour: they wanted to overclass each other.

2. total failure of the main stream media, who believed every single word that the unions told them and who failed with the basic principle of journalism: double check your sources.

3. regarding this forum and this topic: three glory days for a handfull of Brussels Airlines haters, however ending with a unbelievable disappointment for them on Monday evening.

3. what a relief that our travel & aviation journalists countered the unions and the main stream media.

4. Employment in Belgian aviation was saved, once again, by one very senior citizen: 85-year old Etienne Davignon.
Who are those haters, exactly?

I like SN and I want it to prosper.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Not Real » 06 Feb 2018, 22:17

Ansett wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 16:19
Poiu wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:48
Ansett wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 15:30

The fifty or so Belgian captains of industry who signed a letter of support for Gustin and De Raeymakers should have put money on the table when it was necessary to keep SN Belgian, but nobody was prepared to take the smallest financial risk except LH. They own SN now. It's their property. They can do as they like (even if we don't like it).
They didn’t sign a letter of support for Gustin and De Raeymaker, they signed a letter to support a strong airline with a base in Brussels.
You are right, Poiu. My mistake. However, it does not change anything to the heart ot the matter : where were these captains of Belgian industry, especially the heavy-weights, when SN needed investment to keep SN Belgian or to keep a majority vote in the Board ?
As I know Lufthansa was already owner of some % of Brussels Airlines and they have priority to buy the rest before anyone... :cry:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Ansett » 06 Feb 2018, 23:04

To a very large extent you are right. What I wanted to say, is that if large Belgian companies had put money on the table before the LH deal, perhaps it would not have been necessary to close a deal like the one with LH.
If... (as the French say : Avec des "si" on mettrait Paris en bouteille.)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Klausenburg » 06 Feb 2018, 23:26

Maybe VLM and Air Belgium will get investment and trust and will become the new "flag carriers"... Two instead of one... Brussels Airlines will be just a wing of Lufthansa with no character...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by sn26567 » 07 Feb 2018, 00:00

Klausenburg wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 23:26
Maybe VLM and Air Belgium will get investment and trust and will become the new "flag carriers"... Two instead of one... Brussels Airlines will be just a wing of Lufthansa with no character...
The capital of all Belgian airlines is now foreign-owned. But some of them have more independence from their shareholders than others. TUI fly Belgium, for example, does what it wants concerning new routes, even if it has to follow group directives for its purchases of aeroplanes (except perhaps for the smaller E190).
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 07 Feb 2018, 06:53

There is a good potential at BRU Airport if its operated properly... LH has every interest in using it and expanding the hub as they can take business away from KL in AMS and AF in PAR. There is room for routes from BRU to a number of cities in North America for example that will not hurt their business in FRA/MUC so unless they've very patriotic and only want to expand the German airports they will expand their entire group in a better way by expanding the BRU hub... not to mention they will piss off many Belgians if they take their airline away and those people will avoid LH/EW whenever they can... so don't be selfish and expand SN just like you're expanding LX and for God's sake order the Belgian airline some new metal... send the old stuff over to EW for low cost ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Boeing767copilot » 07 Feb 2018, 07:46

Passenger wrote:
06 Feb 2018, 18:38
These are my conclusions from last weekend and Monday:

1. total madness from the trade unions, who must have known what was on table, but yet tried to put the house on fire. Only excuse for their stupid behaviour: they wanted to overclass each other.

2. total failure of the main stream media, who believed every single word that the unions told them and who failed with the basic principle of journalism: double check your sources.

3. regarding this forum and this topic: three glory days for a handfull of Brussels Airlines haters, however ending with a unbelievable disappointment for them on Monday evening.

3. what a relief that our travel & aviation journalists countered the unions and the main stream media.

4. Employment in Belgian aviation was saved, once again, by one very senior citizen: 85-year old Etienne Davignon.
I fully agree with this. A very bad show from the unions and some media. Like this morning on VRT NWS/Deredactie https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/06 ... -bedaren-/
Always terrify people. Unbelievable what this guy and self-proclaimed aviation journalist shakes out of his sleeve the last days. :( :shock:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Av24.be » 07 Feb 2018, 09:00

Eurowings CEO Thorsten Dirks wants Brussels Airlines to become a Long Haul Center of Excellence

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... xcellence/

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by JustPlanes » 07 Feb 2018, 09:03

Av24.be wrote:
07 Feb 2018, 09:00
Eurowings CEO Thorsten Dirks wants Brussels Airlines to become a Long Haul Center of Excellence

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... xcellence/

in Brussels or in Dusseldorf???
They want SN expertise because they are adding 140 long haul flights at DUS
Because SN is the long haul expert.... I guess LH isn't :)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Bralo20 » 07 Feb 2018, 09:26

So, basically it means that Brussels Airlines will get eventually a bunch of long haul planes on the Belgian register and the Belgian AOC but all painted in the EW colours. This way they can eliminate all other external leases and use the EW AOC for a short haul fleet.

But I still haven't read anything about keeping Brussels Airlines itself. It's one thing to keep a Belgian company named a certain way but it's an all other thing keeping the brand itself.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by FLYAIR10 » 07 Feb 2018, 09:56

Av24.be wrote: ↑
07 Feb 2018, 09:00
Eurowings CEO Thorsten Dirks wants Brussels Airlines to become a Long Haul Center of Excellence

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufth ... xcellence/

in Brussels or in Dusseldorf???
They want SN expertise because they are adding 140 long haul flights at DUS
Because SN is the long haul expert.... I guess LH isn't
I'm not an accountant nor tax-expert ,but after the recent tax-reforms (reduced taxrates for companies) in Belgium,would it not be more interesting to have the revenue of long-haul operations to be mainly generated in Belgium then? (From that perspective)
When considering from where to serve some new destinations ,IMHO the 'Eurowings-group'
should also consider the tax-impact on their consolidated earnings.It's only a part of the equation in new routing selection,but nevertheless might shift the balance in favour of BRU... or not?


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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Not Real » 07 Feb 2018, 10:10

Ok, so, they had to fire Gustin to say that they don't have bigger plans for SN right now as they are busy with the herency of AirBerlin? Ok...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by ezis_bis » 07 Feb 2018, 10:11

travellover wrote:
07 Feb 2018, 10:05
Long Haul Center of Excellence will be based in Brussels.
But what does that mean?
Could still mean it is the HQ of a company flying out of Dusseldorf

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by Bralo20 » 07 Feb 2018, 10:16

At VRT De Redactie:

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/07 ... behouden-/

- Brussels Airlines will perform the longhaul flighs of EW, rapid expansion of DUS
- Less night stops (for which a compensation will be found)
- No "Germanisation" of Brussels Airlines, Brussels Airlines remains Belgian (though no real commitment about the brand)
- Brussels Airlines remains part of Star Alliance (guess Star Alliance pushed for that one)

So not much news...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2018

Post by travellover » 07 Feb 2018, 10:19

A company focussing on Africa from BRU and mainly on the USA from DUS?
Cheers

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