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liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 17 Aug 2003, 16:09

Sobelair is going to take delivery of a second B737-800 in September.
c/n: 33014 and should be in TUI c/s
Can someone comferm this?

Greetz,

Dave

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 17 Aug 2003, 16:21

OO-VAC c/n 33014 is expected in September, but no clue about the c/s.

SkyStef

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 17 Aug 2003, 16:33

Will OO-VAC replace a B737 classic, or is this a fleeet expantion?

Ciao
Chris

Zorba · Post by **Zorba** » 17 Aug 2003, 16:54

Great news !!

If you know the exact date, please mail me, or put it on the forum, I go to BRU then, I hope it's in the weekend, because this kid still goes to school

Hope it is in TUI colors!

Regards,

Rutger

777 · Post by **777** » 17 Aug 2003, 16:57

They have problems and are getting new planes.

Where have I heard that story before ?? They went bankrupt.
Will the pilots agree to flyit ?
History seems to be repeating itself.

Andre

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 17 Aug 2003, 18:38

777 wrote:History seems to be repeating itself.

Not only history, but your messages too

I think that SLR ordered 3 B737-800, and I don't know which was the agreement. So perhaps they can't refuse them

. But they could try to lease it during the winter season to some companies who needs more capacity. That would be a good option too make money with that aircraft. Because otherwise it doens't make any sense, that a charter airline gets a new airplane for the winter season.

Ciao
Chris
8)

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 17 Aug 2003, 19:15

Avro wrote:I think that SLR ordered 3 B737-800. That would be a good option too make money with that aircraft. Because otherwise it doens't make any sense, that a charter airline gets a new airplane for the winter season.

First look at the Boeing 737-800 Technical Characteristics
Passengers: Typical 2-class configuration 162 // Typical 1-class configuration 189
Maximum Range 3,383 statute miles (5,449 km)

and then at
Route between EBBR and GOOY (DAKAR, SENEGAL): Distance along great circle: 2780.0 statute miles
Route between EBBR and DBBB (COTONOU, BENIN): Distance along great circle: 3078.6 statute miles
Route between EBBR and DIAP (ABIDJAN): Distance along great circle: 3189.5 statute miles
AIR SENEGAL INTERNATIONAL is doing it successfully.
And NYC, BOS and others are not to far... for a A333.
Is that a secret agenda or not?
Now tell me what is the config of these 737-800?

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 17 Aug 2003, 19:20

SN30952 wrote:Now tell me what is the config of these 737-800?

I think that thjose of SLR are one class configuration.

SN30952 wrote:And NYC, BOS and others are not to far... for a A333.

What A333 for who

Ciao
Chris
8)

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 17 Aug 2003, 19:49

Fons,

I think you are mixing Sobelair and SNBA. Sobelair will get the new B738.

Greetz,

Dave

SN30952 · Post by **SN30952** » 17 Aug 2003, 20:23

A333
You might know that in the code share agreement with the american carrier to Africa, Birdy is mentioned...
Want to see? Mail me I send you the copy.:jumpy:
It is only one step to make it to the US...
For one...
For two, there is too much capacity on the holiday market in Belgium..:dammit:
3xB737-800 working that radius is too much...
Meaning nobody uses a B737-800 for PMI? Or CFU?
What medium-long charterdestinations are there?
For three, leasing these aircraft would be a solution... Leasing them to SNBA? See step one...

Post by **sn26567** » 17 Aug 2003, 21:08

Q707 wrote:OO-VAC c/n 33014 is expected in September, but no clue about the c/s

Bad timing! Just after the holiday season... What is the secret agenda?

But :jumpy:

Wow

This is my 1000st post

I am now an A380 member, flying the A380 before anyone else :rock:
:mexwave: :mexwave: :mexwave:

All to the Luchtzak pub for a drink :drink: :cheers:

liebensd · Post by **liebensd** » 17 Aug 2003, 21:13

Congratulations André,

:mexwave:

Maybe another aircraft will leave when they will receive OO-VAC. Boeing will also not be waiting to deliver an aircraft.

Greetz,

Dave

Post by **luchtzak** » 17 Aug 2003, 21:20

Congratulations André for your 1.000th posting, can't wait to get that drink!

Now back to the topic

fftopic:

Comet · Post by **Comet** » 17 Aug 2003, 21:24

Andre - congratulations!! have a Chimay Blue on me :drink: , then when you reach 2000 posts, have a Sloeber on me!! :drink:

Avro · Post by **Avro** » 17 Aug 2003, 21:45

Leasing them to SNBA?

I don't think leasing them to SNBA would be a good solution, because they don't have the class configuration SNBA wants. And clients don't like paying for a business ticket and getting a charter seat

By the way congratulations André,

I hope I'll be the second one who could join you in the A380. So watch out Bart

:mexwave: :mexwave:

Cheers
Chris
:cheers:

Skystef · Post by **Skystef** » 17 Aug 2003, 23:17

Avro wrote:Will OO-VAC replace a B737 classic, or is this a fleet expansion?

Second NG will replace one of the 737 classics, in future a third NG will replace also a classic version.

SkyStef

Fab99 · Post by **Fab99** » 18 Aug 2003, 10:02

For info, Dakar is at the limit for a 800, depending on the wind, if you fly with full pax (189 in charter seating), you will have to do a fuel stop!
It's a little bil like flying Egypt with a regular 400, when you're not lucky, you do a fuel stop going down, and anoter one coming back. 8O

OO-SBZ · Post by **OO-SBZ** » 20 Aug 2003, 17:57

sn26567 wrote:
Q707 wrote:OO-VAC c/n 33014 is expected in September, but no clue about the c/s
Bad timing! Just after the holiday season... What is the secret agenda?

It is indeed a VERY bad timing for an European charter company...
What about the secret agenda...

Well, haven't we been talking about renting a plance for a trip to the Airbus facilities in France

Sobelair's management saw our idea and decided to set up a new travel agency to answer the huge demand.

I'm just kidding... hopefully

gliding-glider · Post by **gliding-glider** » 20 Aug 2003, 23:01

Fab99 wrote:For info, Dakar is at the limit for a 800, depending on the wind, if you fly with full pax (189 in charter seating), you will have to do a fuel stop!
It's a little bil like flying Egypt with a regular 400, when you're not lucky, you do a fuel stop going down, and anoter one coming back. 8O

Fab99, CityBird used to fly with the B738 to/from DKR and only on some occassions, a fuel stop was required (due to heavy winds and/or payload (lot of luggage)) and even when a fuel stop was planned, in-flight-reclearance occured occured on many occassions.
Don't forget that SLR B738 are fitted with the winglets which increase the performance quite a lot and studies made out that these aircraft would not require a fuel stop on this destination. CTB didn't fit the winglets as cost calcullations made out that it was more expensive for the kind of operation they did then fitting the winglets.
Now, I do not know the plans of SLR with these aircraft ....... however flying scheduled flights (on behalf of ... ???) in 189Y config would not be commercially a good idea ..... ,, C ,, class brings $$$ on revenue.
However, SLR most probably had made extremely good cost calcullations by fitting the winglets which will become profibable after all (less fuel consumption, ......).

Post by **sn26567** » 20 Aug 2003, 23:43

gliding-glider wrote:Now, I do not know the plans of SLR with these aircraft ....... however flying scheduled flights (on behalf of ... ???) in 189Y config would not be commercially a good idea . ,,C,, class brings $$$ on revenue.

I am not so sure for charters. The supplement that SLR asks for its so-called Comfort Class is minimal. In the 737s, only check-in and meals are improved, not the seats. Only in the 767s are there wider seats with more leg-room.

CityBird used to have a real Business Class in its 767s and MD11s (not the 737s), but then the supplement was steep!

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