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flightlover wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 02:55
convair wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 02:16 I assume these are not all-cargo though.
Why not? NH, VS, SK, 3U, UA,.... all fly passenger planes with cargo only to BRU and make money on it (I hope).
And even if they do not make a lot of money on it, they keep at least some crew up-to-date in regards of flying hour requirements.
UA takes some passengers, those who can fly between Belgium and the US at least...

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convair wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 02:16 I assume these are not all-cargo though.
Yes, the flight to Freetown last week was a full-cargo flight, carrying medical equipment from "Medecin sans frontière"

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crew1990 wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 11:06
convair wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 02:16 I assume these are not all-cargo though.
Yes, the flight to Freetown last week was a full-cargo flight, carrying medical equipment from "Medecin sans frontière"
What I meant is "I assume it's only belly cargo". I don't think SN has any convertible A330.

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convair wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 14:44
crew1990 wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 11:06
Yes, the flight to Freetown last week was a full-cargo flight, carrying medical equipment from "Medecin sans frontière"
What I meant is "I assume it's only belly cargo". I don't think SN has any convertible A330.
it only depends on if they like to take a risk on damaging the seats or other interior parts. Otherwise they can take some more tonnes in the cabin as well.

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flightlover wrote: 24 Jan 2021, 00:51
convair wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 14:44
crew1990 wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 11:06
Yes, the flight to Freetown last week was a full-cargo flight, carrying medical equipment from "Medecin sans frontière"
What I meant is "I assume it's only belly cargo". I don't think SN has any convertible A330.
it only depends on if they like to take a risk on damaging the seats or other interior parts. Otherwise they can take some more tonnes in the cabin as well.
Through the galley door, then? Maybe a few endives crates... :)

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Mouth masks, clothes,... or any other boxed item that is not to bulky can be loaded in the cabin. They only need to make sure it can not shift during the flight.

Largest boxes I've seen loaded in a cabin were +/- 50cmx50cmx120cm. And even perishables (flowers) are loaded that way.

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flightlover wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 02:55
convair wrote: 23 Jan 2021, 02:16 I assume these are not all-cargo though.
Why not? NH, VS, SK, 3U, UA,.... all fly passenger planes with cargo only to BRU and make money on it (I hope).
And even if they do not make a lot of money on it, they keep at least some crew up-to-date in regards of flying hour requirements.
UA operates an occasional all-cargo ORD-BRU service. EWR and IAD flights are passenger flights.
convair wrote: 24 Jan 2021, 21:08Through the galley door, then? Maybe a few endives crates... :)
You may not realize how much cargo rates have increased in some markets due to the massive drop in belly space available. So much so that some airlines have removed seats from passenger aircraft to carry freight in the cabin. It is loaded through passenger doors (5-hour turn for a widebody), monitored by a reduced cabin crew complement (to make up for the lack of fire detection system - required to carry cargo), and somehow still profitable.

Other airlines have found way to strap bags of light freight onto passenger seats.

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"We will know by the summer whether the aid to Brussels Airlines is sufficient"

The head of the Federal Participation and Investment Company (SFPI), Koen Van Loo said that Brussels Airlines' cash management was in line with forecasts. If the recovery is not for the summer, the aid will nevertheless be insufficient.

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Sadly, the ONLY Brussels Airlines flight leaving BRU today was SN9901 operated by OO-SFZ.
A flight of no return to the scrape yard.

And no incoming flight either as OO-SFF (DSS) ; OO-SFC (DLA) ; OO- SFX (FIH) ; and OO-SFB (EBB) are at their outstations, returning tomorrow.


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Homo Aeroportus wrote: 03 Feb 2021, 19:13 Sadly, the ONLY Brussels Airlines flight leaving BRU today was SN9901 operated by OO-SFZ.
A flight of no return to the scrape yard.
7% of the European flights and 38% of the African flights in February. Results of a closed country!
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And another No-Fly day today for SN.
Seems to be the new norm for Wednesdays ?

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Rackham just departed BRU to LJU, tech?
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TLspotting wrote: 19 Feb 2021, 12:13 Rackham just departed BRU to LJU, tech?
Hello,

I think yes because Brussels Airlines has no intention of removing the special liveries and even less their A320. The flight number SN9901 / BEL9901 is used during test or maintenance flights, .. What is certain is that it is not a passenger flight !

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OO-SFX seems to be grounded in London. Return flight cancelled and flight to Abidjan also cancelled on this february 20

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Bel33 wrote: 20 Feb 2021, 20:59 OO-SFX seems to be grounded in London. Return flight cancelled and flight to Abidjan also cancelled on this february 20
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Kapitein wrote: 21 Feb 2021, 10:11
Bel33 wrote: 20 Feb 2021, 20:59 OO-SFX seems to be grounded in London. Return flight cancelled and flight to Abidjan also cancelled on this february 20
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And what happened to the passengers ( and the freight)? This was the only flight between LHR and BRU. Couldn't SN find another A330 (or even A319) to pick up the stranded passengers?
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sn26567 wrote: 21 Feb 2021, 10:37
Kapitein wrote: 21 Feb 2021, 10:11
Bel33 wrote: 20 Feb 2021, 20:59 OO-SFX seems to be grounded in London. Return flight cancelled and flight to Abidjan also cancelled on this february 20
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And what happened to the passengers ( and the freight)? This was the only flight between LHR and BRU. Couldn't SN find another A330 (or even A319) to pick up the stranded passengers?
No info about that Andre, sorry. Just knew it was a birdstrike.

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Two SN flights flying back from DSS.

DSS Returns 20210223.png

OO-SFF as SN217 returning as normal from DSS this morning. Suffered a delay of 02h40 during the stop over in BJL.

OO-SFB as SN1204 after having been stranded in BJL since last Wednesday. The return leg, through DSS, was also delayed by 02h50 on departure at BJL.

Reason for the AOG and double delay in BJL unknown.

Meanwhile, according to FR24, OO-SFX is planned to fly to ABJ/ROB on 25FEB. Is she still in LHR after the bird strike?

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Homo Aeroportus wrote: 23 Feb 2021, 08:57.
Meanwhile, according to FR24, OO-SFX is planned to fly to ABJ/ROB on 25FEB. Is she still in LHR after the bird strike?
Expected back today. Departure from LHR at 1230z, arrival 1315z in BRU. BEL9904.

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As for the African network, Brussels Airlines gradually increases its flight frequencies to all its African destinations towards a peak as of mid June, when West African destinations Abidjan (Ivory Coast), Accra (Ghana), Banjul (Gambia) and Dakar (Senegal) are planned to be offered on a daily basis. In Central and East Africa Douala and Yaounde (both in Cameroon), Kinshasa (Democratic Republic of Congo) and Entebbe (Uganda) are also planned to be served daily. L
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... frankfurt/

I know that we are currently in pandemic period, but do you think that one day Brussels Airlines will operate a daily service to Kigali ?

I still wondering why an airline which had the monopoly and probably the biggest point to point trafic demand from and to Kigali has never served Kigali daily, while all its main competitor serves Kigali daily.

Before the Covid19 crisis

It took 2 years 1/2 for KLM to provide daily flights to Kigali. They started with 5 flights a week, in 2010.
It took 1 year 1/2 for TK to provide daily flights to Kigali. They started with 4 flights a week, in 2012

Qatar Airways has started daily service with A320 in 2012, before to replace them by A330 / B787 from 2017.

On the African side (RwandAir not included):

Ethiopian Airlines added daily flight to Kigali in 2006 and a second daily flight early 2010s

Kenya Airways started to add more flights late 2000s (depending days, they was a 2nd daily flight). But they really add more flights from mid 2010s (up to 4 flights a day).

Only Egyptair provided less flights than SN.

Early 2010s, Brussels Airlines operated 4 flights a week to Kigali.


From 2002 to early 2010s, SN had monopoly in Rwanda. They added more flights in 2010s, but not a daily service.

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