Air Antwerp in 2020

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Atlantis wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 17:55 No, completely not. It was the period before the Dutch came. I think they took over VLM in 2008 and transformed it inti Cityjet. I'm talking the period before that. It was even not 8 year but even 10 years in a row that they made profit. The management was also very solid with a Belgian CEO
The Belgian CEO which you remember is Johan Vanneste, currently CEO of Köln-Bonn Airport. Daily management was done by a mostly Belgian team. However during this whole time VLM had actually been completely in the hands of the Dutch entrepreneur Jaap Rosen Jacobsen, since he bought the airline with 1 aircraft in 1995 until he sold it with 18 aircraft in 2007 to AF-KLM. During this time Jacobsen was not involved with petty daily management, but he was very involved with all the strategic decisions. He cashed 178 mio EUR by selling VLM!
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Established02 wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 19:56
Atlantis wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 17:55 No, completely not. It was the period before the Dutch came. I think they took over VLM in 2008 and transformed it inti Cityjet. I'm talking the period before that. It was even not 8 year but even 10 years in a row that they made profit. The management was also very solid with a Belgian CEO
The Belgian CEO which you remember is Johan Vanneste, currently CEO of Köln-Bonn Airport. Daily management was done by a mostly Belgian team. However during this whole time VLM had actually been completely in the hands of the Dutch entrepreneur Jaap Rosen Jacobsen, since he bought the airline with 1 aircraft in 1995 until he sold it with 18 aircraft in 2007 to AF-KLM. During this time Jacobsen was not involved with petty daily management, but he was very involved with all the strategic decisions. He cashed 178 mio EUR by selling VLM!
https://www.quotenet.nl/zakelijk/a34867 ... vlm-34867/
Before the take over by City/AF, VLM was under the management of Johan Vanneste and made benefits for 10 years in a row.
The French take over (CityJet was already taken over by AF), quickly become a disaster and killed a chicken-with-the-golden-eggs. A French Madame was responsible for the destruction of both CityJet and VLM.
Later she got promoted in AF. Vive l'incompétence.

Then came a clownesque management with Englishers, who started and stopped quickly destiantion like Rostock, Waterford,....Maribor ..

It shows two things:
* a successful business airline from ANR is possible
* the airline business is full of incompetent clowns.

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PttU wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 19:00 On another note: as they only have one F50, that plane needs maintenance too. Does anybody know if they're using this downtime to do the checks they need to do every so many hours/cycles?
Air Antwerp told me once they have a solution, but they wouldn't disclose what. I guess it is another F-50 from Amapola.
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JOVAN wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 23:01 * a successful business airline from ANR is possible
The success of VLM was only possible because of a temporary window of opportunity, lack of competition and their precious slot portfolio at LCY. VLM made some crumbs on ANR-LCY, but the butter came from elsewhere (AMS-LCY, RTM-LCY, MAN-LCY). The financial success however was way too little to remain sustainable as a small, independent carrier. AFAIK, there was never confidence within VLM to be able to ever replace the aging F50 fleet. The only hope for a long term future was by being absorbed by a larger airline group who could make the necessary long term investments.

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sn26567 wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 23:19
PttU wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 19:00 On another note: as they only have one F50, that plane needs maintenance too. Does anybody know if they're using this downtime to do the checks they need to do every so many hours/cycles?
Air Antwerp told me once they have a solution, but they wouldn't disclose what. I guess it is another F-50 from Amapola.
Yeh, but that was the pre-corona plan, where OO-VLS was busy all day almost every day.

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Any news about re-start of the flights ?
Latest info was first flt on 01Jun'20, on the website NO bookings can be placed until 06Jul'20!

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As long as LCY remains closed and doesn't announce a reopening (https://www.londoncityairport.com/coronavirus), there's no use in restarting the flights out of ANR.

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Air Antwerp closed bookings until 13 September included.
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