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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 21 Mar 2020, 19:02

Looks like somebody has already developed a solution to load cargo on the main deck of a Pax aircraft.

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See : http://www.seatpack.net/
Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

OK, at $2 000.00 a pop they'd better offer some discount but why not?

H.A.

PS : Not sure the above model will fit the seat pitch of some "optimized" cabin.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ozzie1969 » 21 Mar 2020, 21:24

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
21 Mar 2020, 19:02
Looks like somebody has already developed a solution to load cargo on the main deck of a Pax aircraft.


SeatPack Trio.jpg


See : http://www.seatpack.net/
Video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... e=emb_logo

OK, at $2 000.00 a pop they'd better offer some discount but why not?

H.A.

PS : Not sure the above model will fit the seat pitch of some "optimized" cabin.
How will you fit this into the cabin, let alone into (and out of !) those seats. Better not weigh too much.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Boavida » 22 Mar 2020, 00:08

I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Atco EBBR » 22 Mar 2020, 00:37

Isn't an A340 more suited for that route than an A330?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Conti764 » 22 Mar 2020, 02:09

Boavida wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 00:08
I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?
Range?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by flightlover » 22 Mar 2020, 02:42

The solution of storing freight on top of the seats is OK for transporting feather weight goods, but otherwise you might incur more costs than revenue by doing this. Removing seats and fastening freight however is easier than one might think. ULD's have the same type of rails for fastening the net that goes over the freight.

Access will be limited by the door size and or any fixed interior parts that can not be easily removed like galleys, toilets, etc.. Weight by the specific load the rail can withstand.

Then we come to the last piece of the puzzle: costs. As you might expect loading bulk freight will take longer and you'll need more people. I can hardly imagine the handling company will quote the same for a A330-200 Loaded with bulk on the maindeck as they would do with 'normal' operations with pax or ULD's. So I doubt that option will be viable for a large passenger plane. (And this is my personal hope as I would not like to be the one loading this)

So to conclude:
Would it be possible to load freight in the passenger cabin; yes
Would it cost a lot to change the plane for those ops; No, not that much
Would I like to be loading a plane with bulk on the main deck? HELL NO!!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by DeltaWiskey » 22 Mar 2020, 07:49

Boavida wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 00:08
I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?
Hi, it's a wild guess, but maybe because they BRU-based A330's don't have a cargo crew rest? OO-SFP has been transferred to BRU yesterday, maybe for this purpose?

Flying cargo on the main deck on passenger aircraft is out of question now, too much work & long lead time to make this work. Flying cargo only, without passengers, is something that may be considered though...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Poiu » 22 Mar 2020, 08:16

DeltaWiskey wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 07:49

Flying cargo on the main deck on passenger aircraft is out of question now, too much work & long lead time to make this work. Flying cargo only, without passengers, is something that may be considered though...
Fire detection and fire fighting would be a huge problem when transporting cargo on the main deck.
With prices going up and cheap fuel, flying cargo only could be a temporary solution for a limited amount of aircraft indeed.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by PttU » 22 Mar 2020, 08:34

DeltaWiskey wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 07:49
Boavida wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 00:08
I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?
Hi, it's a wild guess, but maybe because they BRU-based A330's don't have a cargo crew rest? OO-SFP has been transferred to BRU yesterday, maybe for this purpose?

Flying cargo on the main deck on passenger aircraft is out of question now, too much work & long lead time to make this work. Flying cargo only, without passengers, is something that may be considered though...
I'm no expert at all, but isn't a "cargo crew rest" normally a place in the cargo hold to rest? Why do you need a cargo crew rest, can't you just use the "normal" passenger compartment for the crew to rest?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by 737MAX » 22 Mar 2020, 08:44

Boavida wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 00:08
I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?
Why would Brussels Airlines be doing this?

Air Belgium = cheaper offer than Brussels Airlines?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Airbus330lover » 22 Mar 2020, 08:47

Conti764 wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 02:09
Boavida wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 00:08
I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?
Range?
A330 of SN has not the needed range.
And support all the belgian airlines, same for TUI

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sn26567 » 22 Mar 2020, 11:53

This is how a China Eastern A330 was converted for freight transport to Prague:

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Conti764 » 22 Mar 2020, 12:04

sn26567 wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 11:53
This is how a China Eastern A330 was converted for freight transport to Prague:

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Like someone already mentioned... I don't wanne be one of the guys loading/offloading this plane.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Matt » 22 Mar 2020, 13:48

Airbus330lover wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 08:47
Conti764 wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 02:09
Boavida wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 00:08
I read that Air Belgium is flying Belgians home from Argentina. Absolutely great, but why isn't Brussels Airlines doing this?
Range?
A330 of SN has not the needed range.
And support all the belgian airlines, same for TUI
The A330-200 , even with old PW 4000's, has about the same range of a a340-300. In fact, the 787-8 from Tui has the biggest range of all those aircraft. I don't think the range is the real culprit.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 22 Mar 2020, 14:11

Where are the SN aircrafts stored during the lockdown?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Kapitein » 22 Mar 2020, 14:33

brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 14:11
Where are the SN aircrafts stored during the lockdown?
At some remote stands, a few are standing on taxiways and a few other are standing at the end of pier A. We don’t use that part of the terminal for the moment

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by FLYAIR10 » 22 Mar 2020, 15:20

Here's another youtube film of yesterday on the subjecy of loading cargo on passenger planes.
Mentioning AA,DL,LH,...



AA is using belly space only apparently , at least on the DFW-FRA run.


Brussels airlines what are you waiting for? Already now or Within a 1-2 weeks forwarders/enterprises in Belgium must be stockpiling quite some cargo on a lot of destinations they can't move for the time being because of stopped PAX-flights.

I also have some vague memories of Freddy Van Gaever showing specially shaped cargo bins (in plastic or polyester) on the seats of VLM's F-50's.His intention was to load small parcels/courier shipments on his regular pax flights. I don't know if VLM used those bins in reality though.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 22 Mar 2020, 18:29

DeltaWiskey wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 07:49

Hi, it's a wild guess, but maybe because they BRU-based A330's don't have a cargo crew rest? OO-SFP has been transferred to BRU yesterday, maybe for this purpose?
...
OO-SFP is indeed planned to run SN9901 tomorrow.
Leaving BRU at 0900, arriving DSS at 1410.
Maybe a repatriation flight. Return after a 2-hour turnaround and no overnight for the crew as this could be a single shot.

H.A.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by nordikcam » 22 Mar 2020, 19:39

I do not want to drive the point home ( enfoncer le clou in french )... but the chance makes that I had two reservations one on SN whose return flight from Africa was canceled a week ago and a transatlantic on Canada with AF from Brussels. The AF application regularly submits to me the possibilities to postpone the flight and the related conditions. For SN, the flight was today ... I was told to go to check-in, I was told that I was in flight and that I had arrived. Nothing on the postponement or the travel conditions. There are things to improve it seems to me! I'm talking about the app ... not emails!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 22 Mar 2020, 20:38

Kapitein wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 14:33
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
22 Mar 2020, 14:11
Where are the SN aircrafts stored during the lockdown?
At some remote stands, a few are standing on taxiways and a few other are standing at the end of pier A. We don’t use that part of the terminal for the moment
Thank you for the information. Maybe some pics will be posted soin.

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