Anomalies in BRU-ANR-CRL-LGG-OST in 2020

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The callsign suggests a training flight.

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sdbelgium wrote: 19 Nov 2020, 13:17 The callsign suggests a training flight.
Maybe a flight for the pilots to have enough flying hours to keep their licence valid...?

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Airline pilots don’t need hours to keep their licence valid, as PPL pilots do. They do need landings in the aircraft (or sim) though: the so-called 3-in-90 rule. At least three landings in the last running 90 days.


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sdbelgium wrote: 19 Nov 2020, 23:04 Airline pilots don’t need hours to keep their licence valid, as PPL pilots do. They do need landings in the aircraft (or sim) though: the so-called 3-in-90 rule. At least three landings in the last running 90 days.
Indeed, an article in English: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tui- ... s-airport/

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This is what we call in Dutch: een scheet in een fles. These people should get a life.

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November 26, 2020 at 6.15 p.m.: An A300 from the DHL company performed a take-off rejection. The firefighters then intervened but for the moment we do not know the reason.
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Samuel Zerilli wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 18:23 November 26, 2020 at 6.15 p.m.: An A300 from the DHL company performed a take-off rejection. The firefighters then intervened but for the moment we do not know the reason.
still there at 19:19 LT, looking at some ADSB data they rejected going 188 kt, not sure whether that's the real data, but some very fast braking action for sure :o

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pitrixplanespotting wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:20
Samuel Zerilli wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 18:23 November 26, 2020 at 6.15 p.m.: An A300 from the DHL company performed a take-off rejection. The firefighters then intervened but for the moment we do not know the reason.
still there at 19:19 LT, looking at some ADSB data they rejected going 188 kt, not sure whether that's the real data, but some very fast braking action for sure :o
I'have a rejected takeoff at a speed of 90 kts! which seems more correct to me because 188 kts is normally after "V1". After if the data is correct, I do not imagine the brakes when braking :shock:

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Confirmed by someone that the aircraft braked at highspeed. Runway closed until at least 02:00Z.
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http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95&opt=0

150 knots GS... That is *very* high speed 😳

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sdbelgium wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 23:10 http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95&opt=0

150 knots GS... That is *very* high speed 😳
Extra information and footage: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/dhl- ... r-blocked/

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luchtzak wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 23:37
sdbelgium wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 23:10 http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95&opt=0

150 knots GS... That is *very* high speed 😳
Extra information and footage: https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/dhl- ... r-blocked/
Runway reopened, this morning at 04:00 with a first landing 6 minutes later.

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sdbelgium wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 23:10 http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95&opt=0

150 knots GS... That is *very* high speed 😳
Indeed, it just turned out they were already rotating with the nose gear off the ground when the crew sensed difficulties and rejected takeoff.

See: http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95

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AustrianSimon wrote: 27 Nov 2020, 12:54
sdbelgium wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 23:10 http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95&opt=0

150 knots GS... That is *very* high speed 😳
Indeed, it just turned out they were already rotating with the nose gear off the ground when the crew sensed difficulties and rejected takeoff.

See: http://avherald.com/h?article=4dfbfe95
Indeed, and the incident is not due to the weight of the aircraft. All the cargo has been weighted again, and no anomalies were found. Maybe wrong calculations or flap setting?

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This reminds me strongly of the Kalitta B747 crash in 2008. They also tried to abort at a speed above v1, but were less fortunate...

If memory serves, one of the contributing factors there was that one of the pilots had already done a rejected take off with a speed greater than v1, so he was more inclined to do it again.

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Indeed, some pictures from that crash: https://www.aviation24.be/do-you-rememb ... -25052008/

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Very tough decision of the crew. Above V1 and aborting TO, not very obvious and the crew has to be 100% sure of why doing. I am really curious what investigation will bring up.

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I thought V1 was the speed at which there is no other option than take off?
Sounds quite a risky decision to still try to stop after V1...
But, I'm not a pilot, so just my (maybe wrong) thoughts...

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