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Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sn26567 » 21 Jul 2019, 10:54

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Brussels Airlines to operate Washington Dulles service in winter 2019/20 season, from 20FEB20. 4 weekly flights with A330-200

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sounilr21 » 21 Jul 2019, 11:35

It’s good thing. Dulles is a important United’s hub to connect others destinations in the US. Flights connections beetween Brussels Airlines and United is easy.

Hypothesis :

Why not hoped BRU-IAH (Houston) or Newark EWR (replace JFK) by Brussels Airlines and BRU-SFO (San Francisco) by United. For more choice of connections beetween Africa and US.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by PttU » 21 Jul 2019, 12:12

20feb? That's closer to the start of the summer season than the winter season? Why wait until then?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by nordikcam » 21 Jul 2019, 12:31

PttU wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:12
20feb? That's closer to the start of the summer season than the winter season? Why wait until then?
It's six weeks before the start of the summer season. UA dropped the ballast. Maybe LH too. Take it as a small step... for the passenger ... in the right direction !

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Jetter » 21 Jul 2019, 15:22

sounilr21 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 11:35
Why not hoped BRU-IAH (Houston) or Newark EWR (replace JFK) by Brussels Airlines and BRU-SFO (San Francisco) by United. For more choice of connections beetween Africa and US.
Does SN have planes to effectively fly to IAH or SFO? Both are further than any airport SN flies to.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sounilr21 » 21 Jul 2019, 16:42

Jetter wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 15:22
sounilr21 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 11:35
Why not hoped BRU-IAH (Houston) or Newark EWR (replace JFK) by Brussels Airlines and BRU-SFO (San Francisco) by United. For more choice of connections beetween Africa and US.
Does SN have planes to effectively fly to IAH or SFO? Both are further than any airport SN flies to.
United is most probably the better chance to operate to SFO. Why not to use a 787-8. So if we want a daily flight, we need a two aircrafts to make this rotation. One on each direction.

It's just hypotecial, no yet plan.

So, it's a good thing to have to Dulles flight with SN all year.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Passenger » 21 Jul 2019, 21:21

sn26567 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 10:54
Brussels Airlines to operate Washington Dulles service in winter 2019/20 season, from 20FEB20. 4 weekly flights with A330-200
Source: Airline Route
PttU wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:12
20feb? That's closer to the start of the summer season than the winter season? Why wait until then?
Why wait until then? Probably on request from Sales. Long haul flights are booked early: from 12 months for high season, and from 6 months for low season and shoulder season. The more they announce it in front, the higher the load factor.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 01 Jan 2020, 04:28

Happy new year brussels airlines and best wishes for 2020!

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by sn26567 » 03 Jan 2020, 17:50

The Lufthansa Group will hire 4,500 new people in 2020, but none of them at Brussels Airlines (nor at Eurowings, which is not a surprise). "Due to internal restructuring and cost-saving measures, Brussels Airlines, Eurowings and Lufthansa Cargo are currently imposing a hiring freeze; with some exceptions."

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... nsa-cargo/
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 03 Jan 2020, 23:15

Picking up on the previous post, I will give you what some members here will call my first BS (nonsense) of the new year and I sincerely hope they are right.

Again nothing for SN, but that had already been announced.
SN on its own, but SN figures still integrated in EW figures.

I am surprised nobody really wondered what was behind CF being "wegpromoviert" to LH.
LH/CS offered her a promotion with LH she could not refuse. Hmm, are we sure about that ? Is it really a promotion to leave a CEO post for a newly created (!!!) post as member of LH's Executive Board in charge of Customer & Corporate Responsibility ?
CF was appointed CEO of SN, the first women to be a CEO of an airline.
Once she got all the figures and knew the real intentions of LH/CS, she started to feel the heat or she knew from the beginning that she would only be an interim figure.
LH/CS did not want their own first woman CEO of one of their airlines to be seen as unable to turn the company around. LH/CS offered her (wegpromovieren) a better job !
Appointing a Belgian to put into place the unpopular Reboot Plan, so unpopular and ineffective that it will be a total failure on account of the Belgians and the Belgians only, this time (at first glance at least ; to those who will take the trouble to scratch the surface it will, however, become clear what is really happening). Yes, LH/CS did all they could for SN. Even a Belgian who knows the Belgians was not able to turn the airline around, they will say.

In short, CF was called back to Germany and was replaced by a Belgian CEO, because SN will go down with EW as Sabena went down with SR. It's just a question of time, because the Reboot Plan will not be followed by a Reboost Plan.

(I am looking forward to being told I don't understand anything, that there is no evidence to support what I am saying. Or "please, what is your source" ? Intuition. Please, allow discussions on this forum which is not meant, as far as I know, to publish press releases only).

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 03 Jan 2020, 23:23

Concerning SN's flight to IAD, I honestly do not see the point of having a morning flight to IAD, just like UA, and flights leaving IAD for BRU nearly at the same time, UA at 1750 and SN at 1810. Did I miss something ?
I could have understood a late afternoon/early evening flight to IAD (or even better to NYC), but flights that overlap each other ? Please, tell me the logic behind it.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Atlantis » 03 Jan 2020, 23:40

Ansett wrote:
03 Jan 2020, 23:23
Concerning SN's flight to IAD, I honestly do not see the point of having a morning flight to IAD, just like UA, and flights leaving IAD for BRU nearly at the same time, UA at 1750 and SN at 1810. Did I miss something ?
I could have understood a late afternoon/early evening flight to IAD (or even better to NYC), but flights that overlap each other ? Please, tell me the logic behind it.
I fully agree with you. This reminds me when SN was under SR. They had also in The States a certain the same destinations. But SR had all the time, really all the time, the Premium pax, those ones who brought the most to the airline.

For SN it is not the case to receive good slots in late afternoon or evening for long haul at BRU, bcs they will, but I don't know for sure for NY or IAD as we don't have that info.

But flying almost at the same time is rediculous. Both flights could fill an A380 on this route, if both flights would be full of course.

As we can see in practice it is possible. SN and AC will fly this year on the same route and AC requested immediately an other departure slot of late afternoon and they received it at BRU.

It can be of course that SN will request an other slot. If they have to fly more smart, they should do. But probably it has more to do to let let then transfer with their African flights who are mostly during the morning

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by PttU » 04 Jan 2020, 15:20

Atlantis wrote:
03 Jan 2020, 23:40
For SN it is not the case to receive good slots in late afternoon or evening for long haul at BRU, bcs they will, but I don't know for sure for NY or IAD as we don't have that info.
Why doesn't SN receive good slots in late afternoon or evening? Or did I misunderstand?
It can be of course that SN will request an other slot. If they have to fly more smart, they should do. But probably it has more to do to let let then transfer with their African flights who are mostly during the morning
Then why doen't UA change to an evening flight?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Atlantis » 04 Jan 2020, 15:47

PttU wrote:
04 Jan 2020, 15:20
Atlantis wrote:
03 Jan 2020, 23:40
For SN it is not the case to receive good slots in late afternoon or evening for long haul at BRU, bcs they will, but I don't know for sure for NY or IAD as we don't have that info.
Why doesn't SN receive good slots in late afternoon or evening? Or did I misunderstand?
It can be of course that SN will request an other slot. If they have to fly more smart, they should do. But probably it has more to do to let let then transfer with their African flights who are mostly during the morning
Then why doen't UA change to an evening flight?
Yes you misunderstood bcs I wrote that for SN it would not be a problem to receive good slots.

UA will not ask for an other slot for the current flights as they are transporting the NATO premium pax.

If they would like to offer new destinations to BRU or even a second daily flight from JFK then for sure it will be late afternoon or evening like it was in 2016, which they never used.

I think, but this is my own opinion, we have to wait till they will receive the A321LR to receive again a request for an evening slot

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 04 Jan 2020, 16:01

Hi Atlantis !
Is SN going to get the A321LR ? A fact or a wish ?
I thought LH/CS said : no new investments in SN until they are profitable.
I suspect they could be profitable if we had SN only figures.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 04 Jan 2020, 16:32

Hi again Atlantis !
I understand your point about UA carrying NATO premium pax, but how many pax would that be on each
flight ?
OK, they have an agreement with NATO (for sure).
For SN, the point of carrying pax to Africa thru BRU with own metal is, imho, a weak point. How many pax really to Africa from DC or US via IAD ?
I don't believe this flight will last very long;

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by CTBke » 04 Jan 2020, 16:49

Ansett wrote:
04 Jan 2020, 16:32
Hi again Atlantis !
I understand your point about UA carrying NATO premium pax, but how many pax would that be on each
flight ?
OK, they have an agreement with NATO (for sure).
For SN, the point of carrying pax to Africa thru BRU with own metal is, imho, a weak point. How many pax really to Africa from DC or US via IAD ?
I don't believe this flight will last very long;
it's much more than just the NATO pax and you would be surprised how many African pax come from the states, UA has the slot already a lot longer than SN, when they started the flights were not full and asked for a better time which they received and yet SN is not able to fill the planes to the maximum while UA does, this winter they didn't downgrade to the usual 767. So instead of competing, SN should focus on other destinations to use the A330's wisely and finally start using the benefits of star alliance
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Poiu » 04 Jan 2020, 17:23

Ansett wrote:
04 Jan 2020, 16:01
Hi Atlantis !
Is SN going to get the A321LR ? A fact or a wish ?
Atlantis was talking about UA not SN....

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Atlantis » 04 Jan 2020, 18:35

Ansett wrote:
04 Jan 2020, 16:01
Hi Atlantis !
Is SN going to get the A321LR ? A fact or a wish ?
I thought LH/CS said : no new investments in SN until they are profitable.
I suspect they could be profitable if we had SN only figures.
I'm speaking about UA who will receive the A321LR

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2020

Post by Ansett » 04 Jan 2020, 20:10

Sorry for the confusion

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