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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by Passenger » 22 Mar 2019, 18:39

I really don't understand why the Skeyes management remains extremely polite in their reply to the sabotage by both the trade unions and the atco's.

And where is minister Bellot, by the way? It seems he's unaware that there is huge problem ongoing for Belgian aviation.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by Acid-drop » 22 Mar 2019, 19:09

Its indeed very weird the minister doesnt do his job.
What a country !
My messages reflect my personal opinion which may be different than yours. I beleive a forum is made to create a debate so I encourage people to express themselves, the way they want, with the ideas they want. I expect the same understanding in return.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 22 Mar 2019, 19:14

A0964/19
From:23 MAR 19 00:30 Till:23 MAR 19 03:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by mvg » 23 Mar 2019, 02:15

Let’s hope that those who called sick will get better soon.

Another strike without losing money but annoying many companies,and businesses who are gonna think twice in the future before choosing Belgium to invest.
Thank you for that and for all the jobs that are gonna be created in the future in other countries instead of ours. In the meantime our controllers will get even more wonderful working conditions, salaries, leaves and so on and so on.


And after all maybe atcos don’t care if flights are disrupted because they get free train tickets (first class) across Belgium and Europe 😂

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by 737MAX » 23 Mar 2019, 07:50

Passenger wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 18:39
I really don't understand why the Skeyes management remains extremely polite in their reply to the sabotage by both the trade unions and the atco's.

And where is minister Bellot, by the way? It seems he's unaware that there is huge problem ongoing for Belgian aviation.
You really don’t understand that? :shock:

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by 737MAX » 23 Mar 2019, 07:51

mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 02:15
Let’s hope that those who called sick will get better soon.
Just to have an idea, how many have to call sick to create that lack of staff?
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by Poiu » 23 Mar 2019, 09:01

mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 02:15
Let’s hope that those who called sick will get better soon.

Another strike without losing money but annoying many companies,and businesses who are gonna think twice in the future before choosing Belgium to invest.
Thank you for that and for all the jobs that are gonna be created in the future in other countries instead of ours. In the meantime our controllers will get even more wonderful working conditions, salaries, leaves and so on and so on.


And after all maybe atcos don’t care if flights are disrupted because they get free train tickets (first class) across Belgium and Europe 😂
mvg- this post is a clear expression of jealousy and it undermines the credibility of your previous contributions which were to the point and backed up by good arguments.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 23 Mar 2019, 10:24

EBBR A0968/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/STLC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5038N00533E
A) EBLG
B) 1903231800 1903232100
E) LIEGE TWR CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED.

EBBR A0967/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/SPLC/IV/BO/AE/000/055/5038N00533E
A) EBLG
B) 1903231800 1903232100
E) LIEGE APP CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by mvg » 23 Mar 2019, 10:32

737MAX wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 07:51
mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 02:15
Let’s hope that those who called sick will get better soon.
Just to have an idea, how many call have to call sick to create that lack of staff?
Very interesting question! But will we ever get an answer?

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 23 Mar 2019, 11:21

New hours for LGG tonight !

EBBR A0971/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/SPLC/IV/BO/AE/000/055/5038N00533E
A) EBLG
B) 1903231800 1903232000
E) LIEGE APP CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED.

EBBR A0972/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/STLC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5038N00527E
A) EBLG
B) 1903231800 1903232000
E) LIEGE TWR CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 23 Mar 2019, 11:59

737MAX wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 07:51
mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 02:15
Let’s hope that those who called sick will get better soon.
Just to have an idea, how many have to call sick to create that lack of staff?
For this night, 2 were missing on a total staff of 5 I was told !

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by 737MAX » 23 Mar 2019, 12:03

So only 2 sick ATCO’s and absolutely no back-up available to replace them, if I understand correctly?

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by mvg » 23 Mar 2019, 12:05

2 calling sick out of 5 for the whole ACC? Or per side (east / west?

Controllers are not obliged to accept a recall if they don’t feel like. So if someone calls sick and nobody (who is at home) picks up the phone, that’s it...

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by 737MAX » 23 Mar 2019, 12:56

mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 12:05
2 calling sick out of 5 for the whole ACC? Or per side (east / west?

Controllers are not obliged to accept a recall if they don’t feel like. So if someone calls sick and nobody (who is at home) picks up the phone, that’s it...
Is there nobody on standby then?
If someone falls sick, they have to count on their willingness to come in a day off??!

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 23 Mar 2019, 13:51

5 for the whole ACC on saturday nights. No stand-by shift at night, nor during week-end ! So indeed, you come back to work on a voluntary basis.

By the way, a volunteer showed-up in LGG, 0-rate cancelled.

EBBR A0974/19 NOTAMC A0971/19
Q) EBBU/SPCN/IV/BO/AE/000/055/5038N00533E
A) EBLG
B) 1903231136
E) NOTAM CANCELLED

EBBR A0975/19 NOTAMC A0972/19
Q) EBBU/STCN/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5038N00527E
A) EBLG
B) 1903231137
E) NOTAM CANCELLED

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by mvg » 23 Mar 2019, 14:22

There used to be no stand-by shifts at all during years because management and controllers couldn't agree on how to put a system in place and what the conditions would be.
Now they have stand-by(s) for some shifts, not for others.
So yes, if nobody is willing to come, then Atco's who have called sick cannot be replaced. This is of course scary in aviation, when you know what the consequences can be in case of absence of several people. And it's also a handy tool to use if you want to block the system.

On the other hand, 5 Atcos for the whole night is little but it's still possible not to close the whole FIR with 5 people + probably a supervisor who can help too. Then we come to the minimum break requirements: a whole long story :D
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by 737MAX » 23 Mar 2019, 14:38

mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 14:22
There used to be no stand-by shifts at all during years because management and controllers couldn't agree on how to put a system in place and what the conditions would be.
Now they have stand-by(s) for some shifts, not for others.
So yes, if nobody is willing to come, then Atco's who have called sick cannot be replaced. This is of course scary in aviation, when you know what the consequences can be in case of absence of several people. And it's also a handy tool to use if you want to block the system.
Quite crazy :shock:
But we can't blame anyone for not coming to work in his day off, I guess...

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 23 Mar 2019, 14:39

Anyway it looks like Mr Dehaene's communication was a bit too quick this time !

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2019/03/23 ... -van-luik/

https://www.lesoir.be/214104/article/20 ... t-de-liege
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by mvg » 23 Mar 2019, 14:42

737MAX wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 14:38
mvg wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 14:22
There used to be no stand-by shifts at all during years because management and controllers couldn't agree on how to put a system in place and what the conditions would be.
Now they have stand-by(s) for some shifts, not for others.
So yes, if nobody is willing to come, then Atco's who have called sick cannot be replaced. This is of course scary in aviation, when you know what the consequences can be in case of absence of several people. And it's also a handy tool to use if you want to block the system.
Quite crazy :shock:
But we can't blame anyone for not coming to work in his day off, I guess...
You are right: a day off is a day off. And people have the right to have plans and refuse to come to work.

But there is an important sign here: one Atco accepted the recall in Liège: it clearly shows that some don't agree with the movement. Hats off to that person!

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 23 Mar 2019, 14:52

Note also that before beeing cancelled, the 0 rate was first shortened between 19 and 21 LT, one controller accepting to start his night shift earlier.

But of course, no mention of this in the media 😏

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