No worries, I was not trying to attack you, I have read your other posts, I know you are moderate and reasonable and I understand your point.mvg wrote: ↑18 May 2019, 17:54I was only replying to SR20’s post. Reality is not like in the tweet, neither like in his post.
We are not forgetting that the management is doing a very poor job and that being an Atco means having responsibilities.
Last but not least, yes you have 10 millions of angry Belgians against you, yes you have been screwed up by your management, by the way the company is functioning. But this is your (the controller’s) fault: controllers think they are the best, that they could fly better than pilots, that they are untouchables, that they can handle any situation (even a negociation at a high level) but they just can’t! They are not capable of that! Not because they are stupid but because it’s not their job! Even your CEO knows that! He has lawyer and skilled people next to him, he has political support, media support, and so on! You are fighting an army with weapons made of paper! And there you are!
Using the system and behaving like that had to come back to your face at some point. It does now. It’s painful for guys like you Phoenixx, who still seem to be moderate, reasonable and who like their job. But we both know that there is a bunch of guys there who don’t deserve to have this job, who have nothing to do there, some are leading you into the wall. It might be late but it’s time to wake up and all those who really want to move forward and who love their job should gather and find solutions. It is still very possible.
All the best, by the way, because Skeyes could be a wonderful company to work for.
I don't agree on your last paragraph though.
We honestly don't think we're the best at all.
Sometimes we get frustrated with pilots maybe, same way pilots get frustrated with us or with their handlers. Doesn't mean we think we can actually do it better. A bit like a guy watching professional soccer on tv.
We don't think we could have handled these handled negotiations better than ACV or VSOA. To express myself simple and lightly, we just really don't like the outcome. Because it means losing bigtime in every issue it was about for us without even getting any solution for our problems in return. The worst possible outcome.
So no it might not be our job, but it is our carreer, our life and our future. It's not De Cuypers, Neyens' or the ACODs future they're talking about here, it's ours.
Depending on what you mean by "behaving like that had to come back to your face at some Point" I will have a different response, but I probably won't agree either way.
- The CEO would have always implemented these measures, the guy wants total control over his company and staff and he doesn't take a "no" very well. ACOD was simply 'our' weakest link.
-The public opinion would have always turned against us with this management, strike or no strike last Thursday.
We are shortstaffed and will be for years to come. That means disruptions and delays either way. An alarm bell like this we don't ring for fun or just because we can.
-Your scenario of us pretending to be better at negotiations and protesting instead of us simply accepting the situation would have meant facing measures and situations that were far more extensive, restricting and affecting our personal lives earlier already. Better numbers, more fatigue and burnouts among atcos, more safety risks, more divorces, more of everything bad basicly.
Like I said, not sure which one you were aiming for, but I don't agree either way.
We now have 2 'agreements' in effect that don't meet any of our demands and that don't solve the actual problems both us and the company are faced with.
As long as De Cuyper, ACOD and the politicians in charge don't realise we will not give in to this one sided, numbers and image based, antisocial, ostrich-approach of this CEO, this 'fight' will continue.
It doesn't matter what lies they publish in the media, what agreements they try to shove down our throats or how hated we are by the general public.
I don't sound too moderate or reasonable here, but what I wrote in this paragraph is the essential truth and it goes for +80% of atcos in skeyes. It's the further interpretation, conclusions and solutions where we differ, but as long as this shared core message is not understood, this situation will not be resolved.
I agree it could -once again- be a wonderful company to work for though. Every company and every person has it's flaws and problems, that's normal. But acknowledge them free of blame, and try to prevent them from happening again, that's what just culture is about isn't it?