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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

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At the press conference on the safety record of skeyes for 2018, CEO Johan Decuyper refused to reply to questions about the social movements in order not to interfere with the current negotiations between management, the unions and the mediators.

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... y-figures/

About the idea to regionalise and privatise air traffic control in Belgium, he said that the trend was just the opposite with the integration into a single European sky (SES). The latter is still far away, if we believe the airline associations which heavily complain about the slow pace of the integration.

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... anagement/
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It looks like weather department at skeyes is also impacted by staff shortage !
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No ATC restriction to expect during the day or the following night, according to NOTAMs
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TLspotting wrote: 07 Apr 2019, 12:29 No ATC restriction to expect during the day or the following night, according to NOTAMs
Really ?

A1165/19
From:08 APR 19 00:00 Till:08 APR 19 03:00
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
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SR20 wrote: 07 Apr 2019, 12:39
TLspotting wrote: 07 Apr 2019, 12:29 No ATC restriction to expect during the day or the following night, according to NOTAMs
Really ?

A1165/19
From:08 APR 19 00:00 Till:08 APR 19 03:00
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

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I followed the wrong link. You're right.
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TLspotting wrote: 07 Apr 2019, 12:29 No ATC restriction to expect during the day or the following night, according to NOTAMs
I wish you were right :?

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Notam seems to be cancelled. No airspace closure this night 😀

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Another airspace closure tonigh. 2330 until 0230Z :roll:

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sean1982 wrote: 08 Apr 2019, 17:40 Another airspace closure tonigh. 2330 until 0230Z :roll:
And the show goes on, so to say:

NOTAM A1182/19
From:09 APR 19 23:30 Till:10 APR 19 02:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

It becomes "sickening"!
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Sk...., nice to guide you after some sleep

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hi sean1982 and SN 26567 could you give some more info, is this from 23h30ZULU (01h30 local) until 02h30 Zulu (04h30 local), and what does this mean , no A/C can land at BRU during that period?
There are still late arrivals at BRU airport the following days.
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AIRMARSHAL wrote: 09 Apr 2019, 21:34 hi sean1982 and SN 26567 could you give some more info, is this from 23h30ZULU (01h30 local) until 02h30 Zulu (04h30 local), and what does this mean , no A/C can land at BRU during that period?
There are still late arrivals at BRU airport the following days. Imagine you will be stuck on an airplane for 3 to 4 hours.
Hours are in zoulou time, so add two hours to have local time.

Sectors North low, west low and west high = half of Belgium, west of a line from north to south accross the country going from Antwerp airport , through Brussels airport, to Charleroi airport.

Brussels airport remains open but traffic needs to route or re-route via the east of Belgium (east of the line described hereabove). Brussels approach isn't affected.

By the way, every night, those 3 sectors are collapsed on ONE sector and managed by ONE controller. That means that unless only one "west qualified" controller is present for the whole night (very unlikely as the sectors would have to close for much longer than 3 hours), it is possible to remain open: one can work two hours and the other one rest two hours and so on. That would mean working 4,5 hours over the whole night :oops: (with regulations if necessary but it's quiet at night so it would have no impact)
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Thank you mvg for your quick and clear reply.

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mvg wrote: 09 Apr 2019, 21:46 By the way, every night, those 3 sectors are collapsed on ONE sector and managed by ONE controller. That means that unless only one "west qualified" controller is present for the whole night (very unlikely as the sectors would have to close for much longer than 3 hours), it is possible to remain open: one can work two hours and the other one rest two hours and so on. That would mean working 4,5 hours over the whole night :oops: (with regulations if necessary but it's quiet at night so it would have no impact)
I'm sorry to contradict you but ONE sectors in CANAC has to be manned by TWO controllers. As far as I know, there is no approval from BCAA for Single Person Sector ! So I'm afraid your calculations are not correct !
And I wouldn't describe the arrivals and departures peak at LGG as a calm moment !

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Also sorry to contradict you... But that rule is valid EXCEPT at night when “east” and “west” are sitting next to each other with ONE Atco working on each side...
(Approved by BCAA)
That’s what happens each night....

Nights are quiet on the WEST side...

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NOTAM A1244/19
From:12 APR 19 23:30 Till:13 APR 19 02:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS EAST LOW, EAST HIGH, HULDENBERG AND LUXEMBOURG CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

Isn't it a little bit too much?
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sn26567 wrote: 12 Apr 2019, 12:53 NOTAM A1244/19
From:12 APR 19 23:30 Till:13 APR 19 02:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS EAST LOW, EAST HIGH, HULDENBERG AND LUXEMBOURG CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

Isn't it a little bit too much?
And this one too !

A1245/19
From:12 APR 19 23:30 Till:13 APR 19 02:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

And those two for saturday night have already been published !

A1254/19
From:13 APR 19 23:30 Till:14 APR 19 02:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS EAST LOW, EAST HIGH, HULDENBERG AND LUXEMBOURG CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

A1255/19
From:13 APR 19 23:30 Till:14 APR 19 02:30
Text:BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

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So this is the new norm.
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I see that the whole Belgian press is reporting about the closure of Belgian airspace at night, almost a daily feature in newspapers. It might be simpler to announce when airspace remains open the whole night!
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sn26567 wrote: 12 Apr 2019, 21:09 I see that the whole Belgian press is reporting about the closure of Belgian airspace at night, almost a daily feature in newspapers. It might be simpler to announce when airspace remains open the whole night!
Some explanation from ACV/CSC representative :
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 0584575853

"To be clear: since the start of the mediation at Skeyes there have been no actions or strikes. It is true that the occupation is very tight and when sick people fall or if they cannot find a replacement for those who have been sick for more than 1 day, safety measures must be taken for air traffic reasons. If nobody or only 1 person is available for a certain sector, the airspace has to be closed. This therefore does NOT only concern actions or strikes, but incorrect reporting from the media or persons who want to put the Skeyes personnel in a bad light. What is, however, is that due to the staff shortage at CANAC and the conflict situation, few are willing to fill in the gaps voluntarily. Normally 104 FTEs are needed on CANAC and with the sick there we are now at around 73 FTE. It is therefore unrealistic to let everything run. You should not be a math wonder."

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