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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by TLspotting » 01 Apr 2019, 23:18

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By the way !
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April fools for Skeyes customers?
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Post by sn26567 » 01 Apr 2019, 23:30

And still a deafening silence from the Minister responsible...

I confirm my previous statement: it looks like sabotage of Liege Airport.
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Post by OO-JFP » 02 Apr 2019, 08:18

Do you mean this one:
Mr Bellot is from Rochefort in the Ardennes (also down-to-earth people) and doesn't give a damn about the MR electorate in Brussels.
and
I had the opportunity to discuss with Mr Bellot. He is an engineer by education, and thus very pragmatic. He tries to solve problems in a rational way, by sequences.

André in case you had forgotten, I'm referring to your comments in another topic.

I think the gentleman is counting the days till the end of this legislation and hopefully the start of his retirement.

And guys, I seem to remember that when we had similar discussions the other way around, certain people liked the wording "calimero" for the Flemish, well I see that we have calimero's in Wallonia too.

Just as if in the past we never had strikes set up by the FGTB in Wallonia hitting the economy in the north too.
It's called "a selective memory" I think.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 02 Apr 2019, 17:10

Acid-drop wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 19:36
As André guessed, its now officially a communautaire mess. You can't expect otherwize coming from this person, but there are many unanswered questions indeed...
http://www.brusselstimes.com/belgium/em ... ke-culture

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 02 Apr 2019, 17:16

Thanks for the link. I am puzzled by the closing phrase
also called for the regionalization of airmanship
: what has airmanship got to do with this matter?

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Post by sn26567 » 02 Apr 2019, 17:30

jan_olieslagers wrote:
02 Apr 2019, 17:16
Thanks for the link. I am puzzled by the closing phrase
also called for the regionalization of airmanship
: what has airmanship got to do with this matter?
Bad translation by Google? :lol:
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Post by Passenger » 02 Apr 2019, 20:59

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31 Mar 2019, 21:09
And again, the main victim is again Liege airport, the only one with a lot of activity during the night. I understand that Luc Partoune is furious and asks for strong measures.

It makes me wonder if some people have no hidden intentions...
Quite funny, actually. For years, the PS-FGTB-SPA-ABVV alliance, with mr Happart and mr Partoune as prominent members, have called for massive strikes and economical disruption, by preference for 24 hours. But when their own trade union does so indeed at Skeyes, causing damage not only to BRU but also to LGG and CRL, Happart and Partoune are furious…

Anyway, it’s a remarkable new trend indeed: since a few months, walloon airports are also affected when there is a strike. Till now, only Brussels Airport and/or the Port of Antwerp were victim of a strike.

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Post by jan_olieslagers » 02 Apr 2019, 21:03

Hm, it is not "their own" union that is so very s^h i^h c^h active, it is "the other (big) one". In fact "their" union has, time and again, been remarkably quick to agree to any management proposal.

As for traditional/historic strike targets, don't single out the railways, always an easy victim.

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Post by TLspotting » 03 Apr 2019, 21:07

EBBU to be closed tonight between 0130L and 0430L.

A1125/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QSCLT/IV/NBO/E /045/245/5026N00544E064
A) EBBU B) 1904032330 C) 1904040200
E)
BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS EAST LOW, EAST HIGH, HULDENBERG AND LUXEMBOURG
CLSD DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED

A1122/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QSCLT/IV/NBO/E /045/245/5100N00334E064
A) EBBU B) 1904032330 C) 1904040230
E) BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO
STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
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Post by sn26567 » 03 Apr 2019, 21:22

Staff shortage again and again? How the hell is skeyes managing its staff? Their HR manager should be fired on the spot! Although I have no special sympathy for Happart and Partoune, they are absolutely right: Liege Airport is sabotaged. They should start a suit against skeyes.
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Post by Atlantis » 03 Apr 2019, 21:56

sn26567 wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:22
Staff shortage again and again? How the hell is skeyes managing its staff? Their HR manager should be fired on the spot! Although I have no special sympathy for Happart and Partoune, they are absolutely right: Liege Airport is sabotaged. They should start a suit against skeyes.
Why only Liege Airport now? Now they are furious or now we can read here that they should start a suit against Skeyes. But where we could read this when it happened all the time at BRU? This was normal?????

Now we can see a trend that they want to hurt the economy very badly. Liege bcs of airfreight and during the night, CRL bcs of LCC and BRU bcs of the national airport. The other airports are too small to have a big influence. Of course, for them is a big influence if one of the only flights could be cancelled.

But this is now about the economy and this you can't sell to potential new foreign companies. You can't sell your airport or Belgium as a good investment when they strike all the time. An airlines who is already in deep water will not take the risk to lose even more money by flying to BRU or CRL.

Now a wildcat strike at CRL this evening. What will it be in a few days when the Easter holidays will start?

Bananen republiek..... there is completely no common sence anymore in this country.....

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Post by mvg » 03 Apr 2019, 22:12

sn26567 wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 21:22
Staff shortage again and again? How the hell is skeyes managing its staff? Their HR manager should be fired on the spot! Although I have no special sympathy for Happart and Partoune, they are absolutely right: Liege Airport is sabotaged. They should start a suit against skeyes.
It has nothing to do with HR or staff management. If a certain amount of people call sick and nobody agrees to accept a recall then the unit is short of staff. Imagine you need 5 controllers minimum for a night: you can roster as many as you wish, even let's say 10: if 6 of them call sick and noone accepts to be recalled then you are short of staff.
A few problems/questions:
- how comes that so many call sick for a night? Why is nobody accepting a recall? Is it pre-arranged?
- why are the afternoons not kept longer, as the rules permit (and like pilots do), to give the nights some extra breaks so that they can avoid or reduce the closure?
- why do they close the whole FIR (west and east)? Does that mean that so many controllers from both sides have called sick? Really? Keeping one side open could save the night for Liège traffic...
- the closure is from 01.30LT until 04.30. Night shifts are from 22.00 until 07.00 (officially 08.00 but morning shifts come at 07.00). They can work from 22.00 until 01.30 and from 04.30 until 07.00 without interruption: that means a period of 03.30 and another one of 2.30, without problem but they need a rest of 3 hours in between.
Bearing in mind that a controller needs a break after 2 hours (“national unofficial rule”, ICAO says 2.30), if someone could explain where that “3 hours interruption” comes from, that would be interesting. And also how they can work 3.30 with the same amount of people.

I agree with you that it impacts mainly Liège airport, as their traffic is mostly at night. It is a shame.
And that brings one more question: why is the "business continuity procedure" not activated to enable (at reduced capacity) traffic in and out of Liège via Germany without the use of ACC/CANAC?

I understand that the airport of Liege and Charleroi are thinking about asking for another service provider.

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by TLspotting » 04 Apr 2019, 21:47

A1131/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QSCLT/IV/NBO/E /045/245/5029N00411E064
A) EBBU B) 1904042330 C) 1904050230
E) BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO
STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 05 Apr 2019, 07:27

TLspotting wrote:
04 Apr 2019, 21:47
A1131/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QSCLT/IV/NBO/E /045/245/5029N00411E064
A) EBBU B) 1904042330 C) 1904050230
E) BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO
STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
At least Partoune and Happart won't be too upset this time 😉

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Post by sn26567 » 05 Apr 2019, 09:05

SR20 wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 07:27
TLspotting wrote:
04 Apr 2019, 21:47
A1131/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QSCLT/IV/NBO/E /045/245/5029N00411E064
A) EBBU B) 1904042330 C) 1904050230
E) BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO
STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
At least Partoune and Happart won't be too upset this time 😉
That was the only intelligent thing to do in case of "shortage" of staff.
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 05 Apr 2019, 09:36

sn26567 wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 09:05
SR20 wrote:
05 Apr 2019, 07:27
TLspotting wrote:
04 Apr 2019, 21:47
A1131/19 NOTAMN
Q) EBBU/QSCLT/IV/NBO/E /045/245/5029N00411E064
A) EBBU B) 1904042330 C) 1904050230
E) BRUSSELS ACC SECTORS NORTH LOW, WEST HIGH, WEST LOW CLSD DUE TO
STAFF SHORTAGE. EMERG FREQ ARE WATCHED
At least Partoune and Happart won't be too upset this time 😉
That was the only intelligent thing to do in case of "shortage" of staff.
I guess this time there was only a lack of west qualified controllers !

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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by mvg » 05 Apr 2019, 14:24

Question for our brave workers:
You want one night to count for two days (it does) and to be paid for two days (it is).

The rule says: sick leave for one day doesn’t have to be covered by a doctor sick note (only if it’s for two days or more).

So why don’t you provide sick notes when you call sick for a night? Because you consider a night as one day (one shift)... only when it suits you of course 👌🏻
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Post by sn26567 » 05 Apr 2019, 15:52

At the press conference on the safety record of skeyes for 2018, CEO Johan Decuyper refused to reply to questions about the social movements in order not to interfere with the current negotiations between management, the unions and the mediators.

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... y-figures/

About the idea to regionalise and privatise air traffic control in Belgium, he said that the trend was just the opposite with the integration into a single European sky (SES). The latter is still far away, if we believe the airline associations which heavily complain about the slow pace of the integration.

https://www.aviation24.be/air-traffic-c ... anagement/
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Re: Social actions at air traffic control service skeyes (Belgium) - possible air traffic disruptions

Post by SR20 » 07 Apr 2019, 10:16

It looks like weather department at skeyes is also impacted by staff shortage !
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