Another strike at skyes (Belgocontrol): 12-13 March 2019

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Re: Belgian FIR quasi-closed during night 01-02/03

Post by mvg » 04 Mar 2019, 13:12

Exactly
telspace2005 wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 07:16
I would do exactly as Reagan did on Auguste 5th, 1981.
No mercy.

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Re: Belgian FIR quasi-closed during night 01-02/03

Post by mvg » 04 Mar 2019, 13:21

It was clearly a coordinated action, in other words a strike.
Have you ever seen a full team calling sick on the same day for the same shift? And nobody ready to do a recall for that shift while there is almost always people willing to come?

That's why the procedure wasn't implemented.

Same happened on the national strike the other day: for example Charleroi tower's team (at least enough of them) was at work but they closed Canac's airspace : the procedure could have worked and Charleroi could have operated via the corridor to France but that (of course) did not happen. Sure Charleroi airport management would love to know that :)

PttU wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 07:40
mvg wrote:
03 Mar 2019, 20:12
That contingency procedure requires the approval from Canac (for flights to be allowed to transit from Charleroi (or Liège) to France (or Germany). If they strike in Canac, the FIR is closed and they will not approve the use of that procedure. That would mean they are killing part of their strike by letting Charleroi or Liège operate "normally".
SR20 wrote:
03 Mar 2019, 17:59


Are you sure ? Taken from the Belgocontrol press room :

For each of the five airports where Belgocontrol manages the air traffic, the company elaborates procedures – a business continuity plan – so as to guarantee service provision in case of technical difficulties or other incidents. In 2016 such a plan entered into force at the airports of Charleroi and Liège. Up next is Ostend: the new procedure was introduced on 25 May 2017 in collaboration with British air traffic controller NATS.

Staff shortage is not considered as an incident ?

https://press.skeyes.be/belgocontrol-en ... -with-nats
So if this procedure isn't implemented it means it WAS a strike? I thought it were only unforseeable circumstances by too many ill people?

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Re: Belgian FIR quasi-closed during night 01-02/03

Post by SR20 » 06 Mar 2019, 22:16

As the FIR closure is still officially due to staff shortage !

Airlines call for faster training of controllers to ease delays

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-euro ... QN0YH?il=0

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Re: Belgian FIR quasi-closed during night 01-02/03

Post by mvg » 07 Mar 2019, 14:01

Of course the FIR closure was (officially) due to staff shortage. They (almost) all called sick and nobody accepted to be recalled to work that night.
The question is: why did everyone suddenly call sick on the same day for the same shift?
Because it was a coordinated action (not the first time it happens).

Airlines call for a fast training process for new controllers: more qualified controllers will NOT help in case of a coordinated action. If everyone calls sick and nobody picks up the phone to be recalled, you can have 500 controllers available, there will be nobody at work!
The problem in our country is that recalls are not mandatory and that they have never accepted to have stand-by shifts like pilots have. The conditions proposed for such shifts didn't suit them... Anyone guessing why? :)
The other problem is that they are untouchable: they can call sick whenever they want, they can come to work and not listen to their managers/not follow the rules (for example leaving before the end of a shift), they can have incidents but never blame or punish any of them, otherwise they are gonna be angry (=strike). It is impossible to fire anyone in that company! They are all "benoemd/nommes" as State employees.
Let's privatise and get a decent service with only people willing to work (some of them do)! It's possible to do way better even with less people!

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Re: Belgian FIR quasi-closed during night 01-02/03

Post by telspace2005 » 07 Mar 2019, 17:54

In this case, the ATC from Luxemburg, or Cologne, or Maastricht could not take over the traffic? It is just to bring the planes closed to Brussels and then the control tower takes over.
Share the radars signals and that's it.

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Re: Belgian FIR quasi-closed during night 01-02/03

Post by mvg » 07 Mar 2019, 18:05

That would be too easy :)
Each country is responsible for his territory and any delegation is subject to agreements between the authorities from those countries.
Moreover, to be allowed to control a portion of airspace, one needs a specific qualification (for that airspace and "kind of work" (ACC, Approach, Tower), a valid license (training required) and also currency on that sector.
A neighboring country will never "control" a plane in an airspace which doesn't belong to him.
Like a controller will never let a plane fly in someone else's sector without prior coordination or approval (even inside the same country).

By the way the radar "signals"/data are shared!


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