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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

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737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:06


To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...
So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".
I mean it's no big deal for the passenger but it will create an amount to invest in new technologies etc....
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

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737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 20:06


To have fares at 12€ iso 10€?
Pffffff...
So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".
That's wrong, there is no magical point where taxes have an influence. A low tax will have a little influence and a high tax a lot. If it was true that a few euro's would't change consumer behavior I'm sure airlines would already have increased the price of their tickets by that amount.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

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Hi,

Maybe fair or not.. start taxing flight tickets and you loose a LOT of jobs,
LCC airlines will go bust and flying will be again only for the rich ...

Will you save the climate... NOPE...

As airtraffic is just a very small piece of the climate cake ! 3 percent..

Next COWS and their farts, energy industries... on what exhausts will your electric car drive anyway ?
CARBON fuels or NUCLEAR ?? Forget sun and wind if we go all this way...

Anyone travelled to Poland/China/Brasil/Asia-Africa ?
Are they starting the climate fight...

If not , it is just a drop..

I don't say nothing must change but if you change something I hope it will have a result and not only of making us in europe less happy and more poor, because that is what the result will be at this point..

AIRTRAFFIC IS an EASY target to gain votes for... but electric power - farm industry is a bigger lobby to fight !

IMHO...

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

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cathay belgium wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 22:29
Hi,

Maybe fair or not.. start taxing flight tickets and you loose a LOT of jobs,
LCC airlines will go bust and flying will be again only for the rich ...

Will you save the climate... NOPE...

As airtraffic is just a very small piece of the climate cake ! 3 percent..

Next COWS and their farts, energy industries... on what exhausts will your electric car drive anyway ?
CARBON fuels or NUCLEAR ?? Forget sun and wind if we go all this way...

Anyone travelled to Poland/China/Brasil/Asia-Africa ?
Are they starting the climate fight...

If not , it is just a drop..

I don't say nothing must change but if you change something I hope it will have a result and not only of making us in europe less happy and more poor, because that is what the result will be at this point..

AIRTRAFFIC IS an EASY target to gain votes for... but electric power - farm industry is a bigger lobby to fight !

IMHO...

CXB
I don't remember but somebody here on the forum proposed to tax the jet fuel like everything else that could be a good idea and equal to other industries instead of a tax it will bring also much more money.
Hasta la victoria siempre.

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Re: Lufthansa in 2019

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Jetter wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 22:20
737MAX wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:56
lumumba wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 21:07

So anyway it's no big deal!
Well yes that's exactly my point.
Why are you in favor of a "so anyway it's no big deal" tax ??? :shock:
Nothing will change with "no big deal taxes".
That's wrong, there is no magical point where taxes have an influence. A low tax will have a little influence and a high tax a lot. If it was true that a few euro's would't change consumer behavior I'm sure airlines would already have increased the price of their tickets by that amount.
A few euro's don't change consumer behaviour, but what matters is who's cheapest, even by a few euro's. And that's where competition comes into play: if they should all agree to increase the price by a few euro's, that wouldn't make a difference in consumer behaviour, but one player isn't going to add those euro's when the other players aren't, as that will drive consumers to the player with the lowest prices. But a general tax creates a level playing field: it's (about) the same for everyone. (Depending on the base of the tax, type of aircraft,...)

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Lufthansa currently wet-leases an Avro RJ85 from CityJet, which operates several rotations between Frankfurt and Brussels.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/city ... d-leipzig/
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sn26567 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:12
Lufthansa currently wet-leases an Avro RJ85 from CityJet, which operates several rotations between Frankfurt and Brussels.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/city ... d-leipzig/
The CityJet Avro RJ85 is configured in a dense 6-across layout. A change of comfort level for the regular Lufthansa passenger!
But the route is flown with CRJ-900 as well. Isn't the Avro better, more comfortable for passengers?

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The Avro would be nicer in the 5-across layout. Flying on a 6-across Avro doesn't really seem like a great ride.
Then again, these are quite short flights, I don't think it matters that much to most people.
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PttU wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:31
sn26567 wrote:
21 Jul 2019, 12:12
Lufthansa currently wet-leases an Avro RJ85 from CityJet, which operates several rotations between Frankfurt and Brussels.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/city ... d-leipzig/
The CityJet Avro RJ85 is configured in a dense 6-across layout. A change of comfort level for the regular Lufthansa passenger!
But the route is flown with CRJ-900 as well. Isn't the Avro better, more comfortable for passengers?
The Avro in the SN 5-abreast configuration was super-comfortable, but try to put an additional seat in a row, and it becomes a nightmare.
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I should think an ICE-train would be quite comfortable, too...

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Carsten Spohr: hated and derided on this forum, but praised on another aviation community:

"...Spohr received the 2019 Executive Leadership Award to recognise his success in guiding the Lufthansa Group to a dominant position in its key home markets of Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Spohr and his team have achieved this in a tough market environment that saw rival Air Berlin collapse and a raft of competitive moves from other operators. Thanks to a long-term focus in Spohr’s planning, the group faces future challenges from a position of strength..."

(FlightGlobal Airline Strategy Awards, 14th July 2019).

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Passenger wrote:
24 Jul 2019, 10:16
Carsten Spohr: hated and derided on this forum, but praised on another aviation community:

"...Spohr received the 2019 Executive Leadership Award to recognise his success in guiding the Lufthansa Group to a dominant position in its key home markets of Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Spohr and his team have achieved this in a tough market environment that saw rival Air Berlin collapse and a raft of competitive moves from other operators. Thanks to a long-term focus in Spohr’s planning, the group faces future challenges from a position of strength..."

(FlightGlobal Airline Strategy Awards, 14th July 2019).
Did the FlightGlobal Strategy Awards also recognise his leadership in being at the origin of the Eurowings disaster?
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Lufthansa-Chef will im Preiskampf mit Ryanair nicht weichen

https://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehme ... ke6ZsZ-ap3

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Lufthansa boss Carsten Spohr wants to offer budget airlines like Ryanair on the short distances despite the enormous pressure on prices. "We will not let ourselves be chased away in the home market by those who were accustomed to come, see and win," said Spohr on Monday evening to journalists in Frankfurt with a view to the Irish airline, the rivals by low prices from the market wants to push.

"We have the financial strength to keep up." At present, there is a worldwide unique price war on the short-haul route in Germany and Austria. "And we're in the middle of it." Hopefully, next year, that will not continue.

Germany's largest airline wants to compete with drastic cost reductions, especially in the subsidiary Eurowings in the competition, but had to cut off their annual forecast in June because of the weak business performance.

Especially small competitors remain in this environment on the track, most recently the Icelandic Wow Air, before that in Germany the airline Germania and 2017 Air Berlin. A consolidation of the aviation industry remains overdue and will accelerate by the noticeable weakening of the economy, explained Spohr. "We are well positioned for the increasing global consolidation in which we want to play a role and play a role."

Lufthansa had shown interest in the holiday airline Condor of the British travel group Thomas Cook, but the sales process was suspended. In Spohr's opinion, there will eventually be only about 12 true global carriers, apart from smaller airlines - "three in the US, three in China, three in the Gulf and three in Europe." Lufthansa will be one of them.

In the fight against climate change, the crane line also wants to make its contribution. Spohr sees the use of modern aircraft as the most important lever for reducing climate-damaging carbon dioxide emissions in aviation.

Thus, the CO2 emissions per passenger can be reduced by 25 percent. That's why Lufthansa is investing a lot of money here. Every two weeks, a new aircraft will be put into operation. Another ten percent less CO2 could be achieved through more efficient air traffic control.

Spohr pointed out that because of the required energy density, long-haul aircraft would still have to be run on kerosene in the long term. "The last drop of gasoline will flow through an aircraft engine," said the Lufthansa boss convinced. However, the flying kerosene could be synthetically produced if the corresponding climate-neutral primary energy was available.

Spohr again demanded improvements in air traffic control. The aviation tax should be used for research projects benefiting aviation. A national kerosene tax, which could easily be bypassed by the airlines, fortunately disappeared from the political discussion.

And also in Lepoint:
https://www.lepoint.fr/economie/il-n-y- ... 584_28.php

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Giving up Eurowings is a threat to Lufthansa itself as well. If some other company takes over Eurowings, or Eurowings stops and someone else takes over the flights, it will be a stronger competitor to LH than Eurowings was. So even if EW isn't profitable as-is, it might keep LH profitable.

Three global carriers in Europe: BA (or the IAG-group), AF-KLM and LH-group?

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PttU wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 16:27
Three global carriers in Europe: BA (or the IAG-group), AF-KLM and LH-group?
+ 3 LCC: Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair...
All the rest is will be niche players...

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Air Dolomiti has the same function like LH Cityline - feeder flights for Lufthansa. Thus, they don't need to make profits, they just need to be cheaper than LH Mainline.

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Lufthansa and Condor are discussing a possible codesharing deal that could help save both money on long haul routes.
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Air Namibia draws interest from South African Airways, Ethiopian Airlines and Lufthansa, who are interested in acquiring a sale in the carrier. Talks with Lufthansa are in progress. Namibia may hire a consultant, who will also assist with the potential termination of A330 leases.
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Stij wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 16:39
PttU wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 16:27
Three global carriers in Europe: BA (or the IAG-group), AF-KLM and LH-group?
+ 3 LCC: Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair...
All the rest is will be niche players...

Stij
Maybe ..
On the other hand you have a potential 4th global player which might result from the consolidation of the following Airlines under a single umbrella :
SAS+NAS+Finnair+LOT+AirBaltic = something big.
I know it won't happen but one can always dream ;-)

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sn26567 wrote:
06 Sep 2019, 23:05
Air Namibia draws interest from South African Airways, Ethiopian Airlines and Lufthansa, who are interested in acquiring a sale in the carrier. Talks with Lufthansa are in progress. Namibia may hire a consultant, who will also assist with the potential termination of A330 leases.
The negociations about the A330 leases are not about replacing them by A350's or by Boeing aircraft: it's part of the closure of the airline. Which is the cheapest way out, the Namibian minister of Finance told the government.

"Interest from South African Airways" is a late April Fool joke. SAA itself is terminally ill too.

"Interest from Lufthansa" is a statement towards the Namibian tax payers: "yes, we give them another bail out, but we have a buyer".

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