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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 01 Nov 2019, 18:59

I would also refrain from using the AB abbreviation, which referred to Air Berlin and is unused at the present time.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 02 Nov 2019, 07:44

ABB called HFY for an ACMI contract with CS-TQP.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Desert Rat » 02 Nov 2019, 13:33

It should be a structure damage as I saw that one Sabena aero NDT inspector is flying to Lima.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Poiu » 02 Nov 2019, 13:42

Desert Rat wrote:
02 Nov 2019, 13:33
It should be a structure damage
You probably mean it could be structural damage.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 03 Nov 2019, 00:04

Nothing has moved at Lima since the HiFly A332 landed at 01h30 UTC on Friday night (Saturday morning).
CS-TQP:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cs-tqp
OO-ABB:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-abb
KF-2019:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/kf2019

They should have flown from Lima to Easter Island on 30th October (a.m.), but apparently the group still is blocked at Lima.
https://www.safransdumonde.com/en/world ... ruise-2019

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Nov 2019, 09:43

Passenger wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 00:04
Nothing has moved at Lima since the HiFly A332 landed at 01h30 UTC on Friday night (Saturday morning).
CS-TQP:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cs-tqp
OO-ABB:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oo-abb
KF-2019:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/kf2019

They should have flown from Lima to Easter Island on 30th October (a.m.), but apparently the group still is blocked at Lima.
https://www.safransdumonde.com/en/world ... ruise-2019
I hope they managed to fly to Cusco to enjoy the Machu Picchu !
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 03 Nov 2019, 10:05

CS-TQP departed a few hours ago.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Airbus330lover » 03 Nov 2019, 11:24

No news about OO-ABB ?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Nov 2019, 12:12

TLspotting wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 10:05
CS-TQP departed a few hours ago.
To Easter Island?
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Nov 2019, 12:13

Airbus330lover wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 11:24
No news about OO-ABB ?
A team of Sabena Aerospace is reportedly travelling to Lima to repair the damage.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Airbus330lover » 03 Nov 2019, 12:27

sn26567 wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 12:13
Airbus330lover wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 11:24
No news about OO-ABB ?
A team of Sabena Aerospace is reportedly travelling to Lima to repair the damage.
Yes but caused by ?
internal, external origin ?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 03 Nov 2019, 14:02

Airbus330lover wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 12:27
sn26567 wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 12:13
Airbus330lover wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 11:24
No news about OO-ABB ?
A team of Sabena Aerospace is reportedly travelling to Lima to repair the damage.
Yes but caused by ?
internal, external origin ?
According to social media, the aircraft was hit by a cargo loader behind the forward cargo door. And the Sabena Aerospace team is on-site to repair.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Airbus330lover » 03 Nov 2019, 16:02

And ... back to CRL or once repaired, going to replace Hifly ?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 03 Nov 2019, 22:56

FR24 shows they have dropped Easter Island from the journey, and flew from Lima streight to Tahiti (PPT Papeete). Probably staying just one night instead of four there, because their program continues to Cairns (Australia) on the 4th Nov.

The consequences of that ground incident at Lima are huge. Terribly huge. French legislation for package travel applies for the tour (voyages à forfait). I don't know that legislation in detail, but just like in Belgium, that legislation is based upon a European Directive from 2015. And that European compulsary guideline states a double indemnity for unrealized journeys:
1. passengers are entitled for a full refund of what they did not receive, no matter what happened;
2. when the cause is no force majeure (which is not the case when a ground worked acts careless and/or negligent), the passengers are also entitled to a moral indemnity.

100 passengers have paid between € 24.500 and € 53.000 p/p. The total indemnity that Safrans du Monde will have to pay, will be likewise huge. And quite obviously, Safrans du Monde will hold the air operator responsible. And then, HiFly will also send an invoice. Hence my initial remark: I hope for Air Belgium they can claim from an insurer.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 04 Nov 2019, 09:06

OO-ABB has left Lima, heading westbound for them (Tahiti/Australia):
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... b#22b78b86

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 04 Nov 2019, 10:09

Passenger wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 22:56
FR24 shows they have dropped Easter Island from the journey, and flew from Lima streight to Tahiti (PPT Papeete). Probably staying just one night instead of four there, because their program continues to Cairns (Australia) on the 4th Nov.

The consequences of that ground incident at Lima are huge. Terribly huge. French legislation for package travel applies for the tour (voyages à forfait). I don't know that legislation in detail, but just like in Belgium, that legislation is based upon a European Directive from 2015. And that European compulsary guideline states a double indemnity for unrealized journeys:
1. passengers are entitled for a full refund of what they did not receive, no matter what happened;
2. when the cause is no force majeure (which is not the case when a ground worked acts careless and/or negligent), the passengers are also entitled to a moral indemnity.

100 passengers have paid between € 24.500 and € 53.000 p/p. The total indemnity that Safrans du Monde will have to pay, will be likewise huge. And quite obviously, Safrans du Monde will hold the air operator responsible. And then, HiFly will also send an invoice. Hence my initial remark: I hope for Air Belgium they can claim from an insurer.
Terrible, really terrible.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 04 Nov 2019, 19:37

Passenger wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 09:06
OO-ABB has left Lima, heading westbound for them (Tahiti/Australia):
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... b#22b78b86
...and the HiFly A332 CS-TQP is heading back home:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... p#22b85035
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cs-tqp

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 04 Nov 2019, 22:45

Passenger wrote:
04 Nov 2019, 19:37
...and the HiFly A332 CS-TQP is heading back home:
... with a night stop in Panama (don't forget the papers :mrgreen: )
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 04 Nov 2019, 23:21

Yup OO-ABB is back after 6 days of grounding.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Jetter » 05 Nov 2019, 03:57

Passenger wrote:
03 Nov 2019, 22:56
FR24 shows they have dropped Easter Island from the journey, and flew from Lima streight to Tahiti (PPT Papeete). Probably staying just one night instead of four there, because their program continues to Cairns (Australia) on the 4th Nov.

The consequences of that ground incident at Lima are huge. Terribly huge. French legislation for package travel applies for the tour (voyages à forfait). I don't know that legislation in detail, but just like in Belgium, that legislation is based upon a European Directive from 2015. And that European compulsary guideline states a double indemnity for unrealized journeys:
1. passengers are entitled for a full refund of what they did not receive, no matter what happened;
2. when the cause is no force majeure (which is not the case when a ground worked acts careless and/or negligent), the passengers are also entitled to a moral indemnity.

100 passengers have paid between € 24.500 and € 53.000 p/p. The total indemnity that Safrans du Monde will have to pay, will be likewise huge. And quite obviously, Safrans du Monde will hold the air operator responsible. And then, HiFly will also send an invoice. Hence my initial remark: I hope for Air Belgium they can claim from an insurer.
Horrible for the passengers that payed so much money for the journey of a lifetime. Safrans du Monde isn't a big touroperator that can offset this risk easily. Depending on the contract between SdM and AB it's likely this will make either of them bankrupt if they don't have an insurance on very generous terms.

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