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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 16 Jul 2019, 16:33

Seems that they were not far from bankruptcy....
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 16 Jul 2019, 21:58

Passenger wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 16:20
Interesting article in L'Echo: their 20M € funds ("paid-up capital"?) are totally gone, and they received another 10M € funding from Sogepa (4M), SRIW (1M), SFPI (1M), Sabena Aerospace (1M) and new Chinese and/or Congolese investors (3M). And an outstanding amount with Airbus Finance (5M €) has been changed into a long term debt. I'm looking forward to their financial status end of 2018...
The rent of their A340s has also been reduced from 1M euros per month to 800k euros. And they might (?) replace a gas-guzzling A340 by a less thirsty A330.


At least Niky Terzakis has negotiating skills!
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 16 Jul 2019, 22:43

nordikcam wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 15:10
Avnu wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 13:35
With Kinshasa and Miami supposed to follow. https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 45568.html

(As says the article here. Sorry, was too late in spotting that)
Can anybody explain to me why MIA would work with AB from Charleroi whereas MIA did not work with TUI airlines from BRU ...?
Many tried, but always shortly.
An other European carrier, LOT Polish Airlines, also started MIA with their B787 and the planes are even not half full. Can you imagine an A340? And for LOT Polish Airlines it makes more or less sence to fly there as you have a huge Polish community in Chicago, so MIA is logic. So if they are also not able to fill....

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Boeing767copilot » 16 Jul 2019, 22:54

Atlantis wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 22:43
nordikcam wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 15:10
Avnu wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 13:35
With Kinshasa and Miami supposed to follow. https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 45568.html

(As says the article here. Sorry, was too late in spotting that)
Can anybody explain to me why MIA would work with AB from Charleroi whereas MIA did not work with TUI airlines from BRU ...?
Many tried, but always shortly.
An other European carrier, LOT Polish Airlines, also started MIA with their B787 and the planes are even not half full. Can you imagine an A340? And for LOT Polish Airlines it makes more or less sence to fly there as you have a huge Polish community in Chicago, so MIA is logic. So if they are also not able to fill....
MIA in Chicago? Perhaps Florida? No?

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by b720 » 17 Jul 2019, 07:56

Atlantis wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 22:43
nordikcam wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 15:10
Avnu wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 13:35
With Kinshasa and Miami supposed to follow. https://www.lecho.be/entreprises/aviati ... 45568.html

(As says the article here. Sorry, was too late in spotting that)
Can anybody explain to me why MIA would work with AB from Charleroi whereas MIA did not work with TUI airlines from BRU ...?
Many tried, but always shortly.
An other European carrier, LOT Polish Airlines, also started MIA with their B787 and the planes are even not half full. Can you imagine an A340? And for LOT Polish Airlines it makes more or less sence to fly there as you have a huge Polish community in Chicago, so MIA is logic. So if they are also not able to fill....
Belgium and Poland are two different markets..it’s like comparing apples to oranges.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ZavCity » 17 Jul 2019, 08:04

Hi
I flew BRU-MIA on TUI several times in january each time, allways full!,but maybe that is not enough..Allways US pax also, going to Europe..But CRL is not the good choice I think, should have been BRU!
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Atlantis » 17 Jul 2019, 08:10

Boeing767copilot wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 22:54
Atlantis wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 22:43
nordikcam wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 15:10


Can anybody explain to me why MIA would work with AB from Charleroi whereas MIA did not work with TUI airlines from BRU ...?
Many tried, but always shortly.
An other European carrier, LOT Polish Airlines, also started MIA with their B787 and the planes are even not half full. Can you imagine an A340? And for LOT Polish Airlines it makes more or less sence to fly there as you have a huge Polish community in Chicago, so MIA is logic. So if they are also not able to fill....
MIA in Chicago? Perhaps Florida? No?
Maybe not clear enough. Huge Polish community in Chicago where they fly already on it since long. Besides the other American cities which they fly direct on it, MIA makes also sense for them.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 17 Jul 2019, 10:07

Via routeonline as from 7 December 2019 :
KF5961 CRL - FDF 10:45 - 15:45 A343 --3--6- 07/12/2019 - 29/04/2020
KF5961 FDF - PTP 17:15 - 18:00 A343 --3--6- 07/12/2019 - 29/04/2020
KF5961 PTP - CRL 20:00 - 09:20+1 A343 --3--6- 07/12/2019 - 29/04/2020
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by evyncke » 17 Jul 2019, 14:28

And prices look cheaper that Air Caraibes that I am usually using to fly in the French West Indies (see my travel report in the relevant section)

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Acid-drop » 17 Jul 2019, 14:45

well if you look carefully how much time you lose because of the triangle story, they have to be much cheaper
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 17 Jul 2019, 15:18

Acid-drop wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 14:45
well if you look carefully how much time you lose because of the triangle story, they have to be much cheaper
135 minutes in each direction.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 17 Jul 2019, 15:49

Congo Airways seems to consider to make a partnership with AB :
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 17 Jul 2019, 17:09

All airlines from D.R. Congo are on the EU Aviation Safety list (the "blacklist"). Hence Air Belgium is not allowed to codeshare with Congo Airways (unless Congo Airways uses a non-banned aircraft, like Korongo did with OO-LTM).

Next hurdle: only 5 weekly flights are allowed between Belgium and the DR Congo, and it's the federal government who decides which airline gets them (5 SN + 2 LAC).

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 17:59

I sincelery wish them good luck, but I cannot refrain from wondering if they know what they are doing. Or perhaps, it's just rumors (RDC). At first sight, the triangular flights to the French Antilles don't seem a good idea to me. Nonstop flights, yes. I have always wondered why SN had not ventured into the Antilles (first choice for me would have been SXM (Sint-Maarten, Saint-Martin) good to attract both French and Dutch pax). Well, time will tell, if AB made the right decision.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by cathay belgium » 17 Jul 2019, 18:48

Hi,

I totally agree, Belgians don't have a connection with the French antilles, they prefer the dominican Republic anyway...
Without a backup of a French? touroperator it's doomed.

For the French..Level,Air France,XL,Carribean .. 8 daily ?? Is hard competition from ORY...

Well thé fares are not bad but to make money with it 🤔🤔

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 19:50

I agree, without a (French) tour operator it is doomed.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 17 Jul 2019, 19:56

CH-Aviation : AB denies shareholders comment about the grow.

So MIA and FIH => EXIT.
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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Ansett » 17 Jul 2019, 21:46

Would seem logical. At least, FIH. I referred to rumors in a previous post.

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 18 Jul 2019, 08:44

TLspotting wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:56
CH-Aviation : AB denies shareholders comment about the grow.

So MIA and FIH => EXIT.
Very strange: the AB Management denies what the AB Board told the press?!

Pagtour however remains confident today that Kinshasa is not classified:
https://pagtour.info/air-belgium-apres- ... -centrale/
I don't believe they will succeed with Kinshasa. With only 5 weekly flights officially allowed between Belgium and the D.R. Congo (Brussels Airlines bought 2 more "slots" in D.R. Congo), it's wishfull thinking that the old or new federal government - which decides who is allowed to operate the 5 flights - will support Air Belgium's African adventure (remember the Hewa Bora saga).

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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 18 Jul 2019, 09:31

Nicolas Boulart : "Air Belgium ne fera pas de commentaire à propos de cet article. Les informations fournies sont la seule responsabilité de la source (la SOGEPA), qui est l’un des actionnaires tout comme d’autres."

"Air Belgium won't make any comment about this article. Info given are the only responibility of the source (SOGEPA), which is one of the shareholders like others."

"Tu m'étonnes" :roll:

Info have leaked ?
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