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Re: Air Belgium in 2019

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Hi
I flew BRU-MIA on TUI several times in january each time, allways full!,but maybe that is not enough..Allways US pax also, going to Europe..But CRL is not the good choice I think, should have been BRU!
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Boeing767copilot wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 22:54
Atlantis wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 22:43
nordikcam wrote:
16 Jul 2019, 15:10


Can anybody explain to me why MIA would work with AB from Charleroi whereas MIA did not work with TUI airlines from BRU ...?
Many tried, but always shortly.
An other European carrier, LOT Polish Airlines, also started MIA with their B787 and the planes are even not half full. Can you imagine an A340? And for LOT Polish Airlines it makes more or less sence to fly there as you have a huge Polish community in Chicago, so MIA is logic. So if they are also not able to fill....
MIA in Chicago? Perhaps Florida? No?
Maybe not clear enough. Huge Polish community in Chicago where they fly already on it since long. Besides the other American cities which they fly direct on it, MIA makes also sense for them.

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Via routeonline as from 7 December 2019 :
KF5961 CRL - FDF 10:45 - 15:45 A343 --3--6- 07/12/2019 - 29/04/2020
KF5961 FDF - PTP 17:15 - 18:00 A343 --3--6- 07/12/2019 - 29/04/2020
KF5961 PTP - CRL 20:00 - 09:20+1 A343 --3--6- 07/12/2019 - 29/04/2020
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And prices look cheaper that Air Caraibes that I am usually using to fly in the French West Indies (see my travel report in the relevant section)

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well if you look carefully how much time you lose because of the triangle story, they have to be much cheaper
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Acid-drop wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 14:45
well if you look carefully how much time you lose because of the triangle story, they have to be much cheaper
135 minutes in each direction.
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Congo Airways seems to consider to make a partnership with AB :
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All airlines from D.R. Congo are on the EU Aviation Safety list (the "blacklist"). Hence Air Belgium is not allowed to codeshare with Congo Airways (unless Congo Airways uses a non-banned aircraft, like Korongo did with OO-LTM).

Next hurdle: only 5 weekly flights are allowed between Belgium and the DR Congo, and it's the federal government who decides which airline gets them (5 SN + 2 LAC).

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Hi,

I totally agree, Belgians don't have a connection with the French antilles, they prefer the dominican Republic anyway...
Without a backup of a French? touroperator it's doomed.

For the French..Level,Air France,XL,Carribean .. 8 daily ?? Is hard competition from ORY...

Well thé fares are not bad but to make money with it 🤔🤔

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CH-Aviation : AB denies shareholders comment about the grow.

So MIA and FIH => EXIT.
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TLspotting wrote:
17 Jul 2019, 19:56
CH-Aviation : AB denies shareholders comment about the grow.

So MIA and FIH => EXIT.
Very strange: the AB Management denies what the AB Board told the press?!

Pagtour however remains confident today that Kinshasa is not classified:
https://pagtour.info/air-belgium-apres- ... -centrale/
I don't believe they will succeed with Kinshasa. With only 5 weekly flights officially allowed between Belgium and the D.R. Congo (Brussels Airlines bought 2 more "slots" in D.R. Congo), it's wishfull thinking that the old or new federal government - which decides who is allowed to operate the 5 flights - will support Air Belgium's African adventure (remember the Hewa Bora saga).

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Nicolas Boulart : "Air Belgium ne fera pas de commentaire à propos de cet article. Les informations fournies sont la seule responsabilité de la source (la SOGEPA), qui est l’un des actionnaires tout comme d’autres."

"Air Belgium won't make any comment about this article. Info given are the only responibility of the source (SOGEPA), which is one of the shareholders like others."

"Tu m'étonnes" :roll:

Info have leaked ?
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Air Belgium is going to operate 2 charter flights, on 19 July 2019, from Düsseldorf to Montréal and back !

KF4901 DUS - YUL 16:20 - 18:10 A343 OOABD 19/07/2019

KF4902 YUL - DUS 23:05 - 12:05+1 A343 OOABD 19/07/2019
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CEO says that AB is the only one who is allowed to talk about their plans and AB wasn't even contacted for the article on L'Echo.

So Kinshasa is false.
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TLspotting wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 14:14
CEO says that AB is the only one who is allowed to talk about their plans and AB wasn't even contacted for the article on L'Echo.

So Kinshasa is false.
Source for the Kinshasa scoop in Le Soir was Renaud Witmeur. He is (apparently it will be soon: he was) executive chairman of Sogepa, a new co-owner of Air Belgium after the conversion of their loan (4M) into shares. Hence Renaud Witmeur, as co-owner, has some right of speech too.

Regarding Guadeloupe/Martinique: they don't only will have to sell the seats, but also the destination. Tourism to there is almost unknown in Belgium (no TUI, no Thomas Cook/Neckermann, no niche t/o's). On top, cruises in the Carribean is merely a travel distribution product, and Air Belgium has no sales team.

(French market? Me thinks that the French tourists will prefer a French airline out of Paris.)

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TLspotting wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 14:14
CEO says that AB is the only one who is allowed to talk about their plans and AB wasn't even contacted for the article on L'Echo.

So Kinshasa is false.
He did not say Kinshasa is false. He merely said that some press articles (not only L'Echo) were written without even checking with Air Belgium. Hence Kinshasa could be true, but authors should, please, contact Air Belgium to know the truth.
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The answer from M. Boulart was :
TLspotting wrote:
18 Jul 2019, 09:31

"Air Belgium won't make any comment about this article. Info given are the only responibility of the source (SOGEPA), which is one of the shareholders like others."
They don't say it but if CH-Aviation writes that they deny their shareholder's comment, then we can wonder a lot what is true or what is false.

If it was true, AB would have said yes it is under project.

So for me he says "We don't eye RD Congo, if you had contacted us for the articles then you would know it is false."
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TLspotting wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 18:04

If it was true, AB would have said yes it is under project.

So for me he says "We don't eye RD Congo, if you had contacted us for the articles then you would know it is false."
Don’t jump to conclusions!

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I was thinking along the same line. Some facts can only be made public when the time is come.

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TLspotting wrote:
19 Jul 2019, 14:14
"...the CEO says that AB is the only one who is allowed to talk about their plans and AB wasn't even contacted for the article on L'Echo..."

"...Air Belgium won't make any comment about this article. Info given are the only responsability of the source (SOGEPA), which is one of the shareholders like others..."
Well, this is a very strange communication by the CEO about a major investor like Sogepa: "you have to shut up". Wonder what happened during their last AGM (27th May)...

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