Air Belgium in 2019

Join this forum to discuss the latest news that happened in the world of commercial aviation.

Moderator: Latest news team

Post Reply
b720
Posts: 845
Joined: 04 May 2006, 00:00

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by b720 » 14 May 2019, 08:41

Poiu wrote:
13 May 2019, 12:48
Boavida wrote:
13 May 2019, 12:31
With SN gone in the coming year(s), they should present themselves as the new flag carrier, full-service quality airline to Brussels, home of numerous international institutions and the second biggest diplomat city in the world. There must be a market for this
Clearly there is no market for it, SN tried and failed, without state aid and LH they would have disappeared a long time ago.
Problem with institutions and diplomats, they re all flying low cost or eco these days, even on long haul.. BRU does not generate premium pax like Zurich, Geneva, or FRA and Munich ..

Stij
Posts: 2170
Joined: 07 Mar 2005, 00:00
Location: Belgium

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Stij » 14 May 2019, 08:45

b720 wrote:
14 May 2019, 08:41
Problem with institutions and diplomats, they re all flying low cost or eco these days, even on long haul.. BRU does not generate premium pax like Zurich, Geneva, or FRA and Munich ..
The disadvantage oif our income equality...

Cheers,

Stij

jan_olieslagers
Posts: 2920
Joined: 24 Jun 2006, 08:34
Location: Vl.Brabant
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 14 May 2019, 09:21

Problem with institutions and diplomats, they re all flying low cost or eco these days
ALL? I don't think this applies so universally. I have worked at one of the European Institutions, and there at least some didn't care about cost at all, many even taking a taxi from Schumann to the Airport, whereas the train is cheaper, faster, and at least as convenient. Something tells me such people wouldn't board a low-cost carrier either, unless the schedule favoured it heavily. But yes, they would normally be in economy class, I suppose.

Passenger
Posts: 6133
Joined: 06 Dec 2010, 20:54

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Passenger » 14 May 2019, 11:47

Air Belgium’s first announcement was in August 2016, on their Linkedin page: “to commence revenu operations later this year”. Cathay's first announcement was in August 2017, press release “first flight on 25 March 2018”. If AB would have received its AOC as they had hoped = in Sept or Oct 2016, they would have been able to establish themselves on the market, well before CX could have done so.

Unfortunately: due to a bureaucratic and surrealistic Belgian CAA, they didn’t get their AOC. So Cathay was able to establish itself as carrier for Hong Kong: with a superior aircraft (A350) and a superior product (5*). AB had fuel consuming aircraft, but on cheap leases. So AB can compete against CX.

However, that’s all irrelevant now. AB has made three wrong prognoses when they would get their AOC. So the market (travel trade and individuals, Leisure and Business) have lost confidence (I disregard the few Aviation24.be-members who have unconditional faith in them). And to make it worse, it seems they don’t think they have such problem because their homepage tells: “Discover soon our new destinations”. As if nothing has happened…

People will only book when they are sure they won’t loose their money and they won’t end up stranded abroad. There aren’t many options for AB to assure that. And all options will end up with the same question: can you guarantuee our payment?

User avatar
sounilr21
Posts: 16
Joined: 12 May 2019, 14:11
Location: Namur, Belgium
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by sounilr21 » 16 May 2019, 11:31

TLspotting wrote:
14 May 2019, 08:32
brusselsairlinesfan wrote:
12 May 2019, 00:35
After the diseaperance of SN into EW, Air Belgium will certainly become the last belgian carrier... wish ‘em good luck and my support !
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... gs-livery/
sounilr21 wrote:
12 May 2019, 14:56
Air Belgium it's a joke !

We are in may, and the summer peak begin next month. And we have no more information about the next destinations offered.

It's sad to watch no more development from this airlines and commercials spots the find news customers (other that U-tour, ...).

Why not :
Boston or Philadelphia ;
Chicago ;
Miami ;
Montreal or maybe New York ;
Bangkok.
Unfortunately,they said Zhengzhou was for Spring, but the end is in 38 days, I don't see when they will launch it but there will be no Belgian on board because they already booked their holidays...

There has been no TV Commercial, but many ads through Belgium.

About America, AB clearly said it was for Winter 19-20.

China was firstly chosen due to its shareholders, nearly the half of it is Chinese...
Boavida wrote:
13 May 2019, 12:31
I'm afraid the whole business plan of Air Belgium has turned out to be a failure. They want to be a low-cost airline in a situation where Belgium is already invaded by numerous low-cost airlines, and with our "national carrier" being transformed into a low-cost also... Secondly, they chose to fly long haul to some Chinese cities from CRL instead of BRU.

With SN gone in the coming year(s), they should present themselves as the new flag carrier, full-service quality airline to Brussels, home of numerous international institutions and the second biggest diplomat city in the world. There must be a market for this.

Maybe in a partnership with a Gulf carrier? Why not?
They didn't start from BRU as AB knew CX was going to launch its route so the solution was to avoid BRU and fly from CRL, on the same route...

AB should be the next flagship airline but unfortunately we see them more at WAW, LHR, DXB, JFK, EWR,... rather than BRU or CRL...

The partnership of a Gulf carrier... Emirates is useless, Qatar is now Oneworld and they can codeshare with Air Italy... Etihad, AB will say no. Gulf Air and Kuwait Airways are the only solutions there ?

I think AB left HKG as they didn't see any development to come. Cathay Airways, ex Dragonair and HKexpress are now property of Cathay Pacific. HK Airlines is property of HNA Group, which flies from Brussels to Shenzhen, Beijing, Shanghai Pudong via Hainan Airlines.
JOVAN wrote:
13 May 2019, 22:13
I overheard some conversation about this.

QATAR AIRWAYS is a candidate to operate Transatlantic from BRU .
BRU is their first choice because of unique location, available capacity, enormous catchmen area and relatively few flights to US, CND etc.
QR also not keen to fight with KL & AF in their homebase. They know that NL and F governements will never allow their airlines and airports to 'surrender§ to a ME airline.
In Belgium it is another story, with a high degree of incompetence in all political levels.
But the market is still available.. Primera Air failed... Norwegian is still in the air but wondering for how long.

BRU is a market but no one dares to fly from there, that's why we think we are the middle of nowhere...
Yes the US (probably) destinations would be launched for this winter. But it's my opinion to open booking most early if possible in the belgian market to find belgians customers (and maybe french, dutch or german) with a large commercial campaing.

But i'm skeptical for this opportunity because the "commercial war" beetween US and China could compromise development. And so, Air Belgium have a half part of Chineses funds.


it's cloudy sky to Air Belgium. No dark, no sunny just difficult on this climate. Hopefull.

TLspotting
Posts: 1179
Joined: 19 Mar 2017, 10:22
Location: Uccle/Ukkel,BE
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 18 May 2019, 17:33

Air Belgium considers twice weekly flights between Brussels South Charleroi and Fort-de-France, Martinique

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... artinique/
I'm Thibault Lapers, spotter in Belgium for now 3 years, but not yet across the world and a huuuuuge aviation geek ! Join me on Facebook & Twitter @TLspotting

ostair
Posts: 288
Joined: 19 Jan 2004, 00:00
Location: ostend

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by ostair » 18 May 2019, 20:11

Is this to fill up the gap XL airways left when they closed the LILLE- Fort-de-France route?

TLspotting
Posts: 1179
Joined: 19 Mar 2017, 10:22
Location: Uccle/Ukkel,BE
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 20 May 2019, 14:31

TLspotting wrote:
18 May 2019, 17:33
Air Belgium considers twice weekly flights between Brussels South Charleroi and Fort-de-France, Martinique

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... artinique/
Air Belgium spokesman Nicolas Boulart told Aviation24.be that a possible destination in Martinique is part of a broader plan covering other countries in the Caribbean.

Sint Maarten, Guadeloupe ?
I'm Thibault Lapers, spotter in Belgium for now 3 years, but not yet across the world and a huuuuuge aviation geek ! Join me on Facebook & Twitter @TLspotting

lucas
Posts: 89
Joined: 01 Feb 2017, 15:06

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by lucas » 20 May 2019, 14:56

TLspotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 14:31
TLspotting wrote:
18 May 2019, 17:33
Air Belgium considers twice weekly flights between Brussels South Charleroi and Fort-de-France, Martinique

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... artinique/
Air Belgium spokesman Nicolas Boulart told Aviation24.be that a possible destination in Martinique is part of a broader plan covering other countries in the Caribbean.

Sint Maarten, Guadeloupe ?
I think it will not be Sint Maarten. If I'm right Tuifly launched them? Or will launch them. I think I read about it in some topic here. So I guess Guadeloupe?

TLspotting
Posts: 1179
Joined: 19 Mar 2017, 10:22
Location: Uccle/Ukkel,BE
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 20 May 2019, 15:07

lucas wrote:
20 May 2019, 14:56
I think it will not be Sint Maarten. If I'm right Tuifly launched them? Or will launch them. I think I read about it in some topic here. So I guess Guadeloupe?
SXM has been cancelled...
I'm Thibault Lapers, spotter in Belgium for now 3 years, but not yet across the world and a huuuuuge aviation geek ! Join me on Facebook & Twitter @TLspotting

convair
Posts: 1745
Joined: 18 Nov 2011, 00:02

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by convair » 20 May 2019, 18:02

TLspotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 15:07
lucas wrote:
20 May 2019, 14:56
I think it will not be Sint Maarten. If I'm right Tuifly launched them? Or will launch them. I think I read about it in some topic here. So I guess Guadeloupe?
SXM has been cancelled...
What is SXM please?

jan_olieslagers
Posts: 2920
Joined: 24 Jun 2006, 08:34
Location: Vl.Brabant
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 20 May 2019, 18:03

one of those silly ridiculous IATA "destination codes", no doubt

lucas
Posts: 89
Joined: 01 Feb 2017, 15:06

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by lucas » 20 May 2019, 18:05

jan_olieslagers wrote:
20 May 2019, 18:03
one of those silly ridiculous IATA "destination codes", no doubt
Indeed, the one for Sint-Maarten. Why are they ridiculous?

jan_olieslagers
Posts: 2920
Joined: 24 Jun 2006, 08:34
Location: Vl.Brabant
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 20 May 2019, 18:23

Why are they ridiculous?
If we may be allowed to go off-topic (and if not, dear moderators, please feel free to remove!):
I do not not know why these codes are chosen/allocated in this ridiculous way. But perhaps you were asking "what is ridiculous about them"? :)

* they were only meant to indicate aerodromes with commercial service, they never even tried to be universal
* for lack of codes (3 characters A-Z yields only 26x26x26 codes, not a lot to cover all the world) some codes had to be used multiply
* even so, some codes were used for things other than aerodromes - Brussels South Railway station has an IATA code, I seem to remember, for one example - I understand this is because operators of high speed trains wished to sell their services on airline booking systems.
* even so, there are a good deal of aerodromes with commercial service that do not have an IATA code, so they fail even their basic purpose

From an aviator's point of view, IATA codes are rather useless, they can never be entered into an ICAO flight plan, for just one example. They are all about commercial air transport, but "aviation" is a much broader terrain.

737MAX
Posts: 228
Joined: 29 Aug 2017, 08:46

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by 737MAX » 20 May 2019, 18:58

TLspotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 14:31
TLspotting wrote:
18 May 2019, 17:33
Air Belgium considers twice weekly flights between Brussels South Charleroi and Fort-de-France, Martinique

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... artinique/
Air Belgium spokesman Nicolas Boulart told Aviation24.be that a possible destination in Martinique is part of a broader plan covering other countries in the Caribbean.

Sint Maarten, Guadeloupe ?
Did he tell you how they intend to fill in their planes? :?

TLspotting
Posts: 1179
Joined: 19 Mar 2017, 10:22
Location: Uccle/Ukkel,BE
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by TLspotting » 20 May 2019, 19:03

737MAX wrote:
20 May 2019, 18:58
TLspotting wrote:
20 May 2019, 14:31
TLspotting wrote:
18 May 2019, 17:33
Air Belgium considers twice weekly flights between Brussels South Charleroi and Fort-de-France, Martinique

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air- ... artinique/
Air Belgium spokesman Nicolas Boulart told Aviation24.be that a possible destination in Martinique is part of a broader plan covering other countries in the Caribbean.

Sint Maarten, Guadeloupe ?
Did he tell you how they intend to fill in their planes? :?
No but he adds that AB keeps an eye on the current market and this is one of the stops on a large tour with a few countries, that's what I understood.

AB eyes Guadeloupe says VTAMagazine here :
https://www.veilletourismeantilles.com/ ... bruxelles/
I'm Thibault Lapers, spotter in Belgium for now 3 years, but not yet across the world and a huuuuuge aviation geek ! Join me on Facebook & Twitter @TLspotting

Acid-drop
Posts: 2592
Joined: 29 Jun 2005, 00:00
Location: Liège, BE
Contact:

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Acid-drop » 21 May 2019, 11:10

Guadeloupe & Martinique is a great idea, could be a easy triangle flight.
Now, the prices are very low from Paris ... good luck.
My messages reflect my personal opinion which may be different than yours. I beleive a forum is made to create a debate so I encourage people to express themselves, the way they want, with the ideas they want. I expect the same understanding in return.

Jetter
Posts: 364
Joined: 06 Nov 2015, 21:07

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Jetter » 21 May 2019, 12:24

I’m quite baffled by this AB saga. Normally you have an airline with a plan that buys airplanes. Here there is an airline that first decides to buy airplanes believing that a profitable plan will follow. :? They don’t even seem to know what part of the world they want to fly to. Have to give them credit for still being around though.

b720
Posts: 845
Joined: 04 May 2006, 00:00

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by b720 » 21 May 2019, 14:18

Stij wrote:
14 May 2019, 08:45
b720 wrote:
14 May 2019, 08:41
Problem with institutions and diplomats, they re all flying low cost or eco these days, even on long haul.. BRU does not generate premium pax like Zurich, Geneva, or FRA and Munich ..
The disadvantage oif our income equality...

Cheers,

Stij
Living standard at the above mentioned cities is considerably higher than it is here, actually.

Stij
Posts: 2170
Joined: 07 Mar 2005, 00:00
Location: Belgium

Re: Air Belgium in 2019

Post by Stij » 21 May 2019, 15:11

b720 wrote:
21 May 2019, 14:18
Living standard at the above mentioned cities is considerably higher than it is here, actually.
Even if you campare the larger region?

People from Lasne and Sint-Maartens-latem fly from BRU as well...

Cheers,

Stijn

Post Reply