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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 05 Oct 2019, 14:12

Of course, CS is not taking revenge on SN because his initial EW project collapsed. The guy must, however, be very frustrated. And I continue to be convinced that he would have preferred not to have "inherited" SN.
As some members have probalby rightly said, he keeps SN alive in BRU, at least for the moment, to prevent that another major group (AF-KL or IAG, for instance) take over SN and become a major player at BRU.
In the long-term I am not sure he will stick to that strategy. Time will tell.
For the time being, any expansion of the fleet or network is not on the agenda (LH/LX really fill the gap left by Adria ; SN's daily flight with a "moderately" interesting flight schedule is better than nothing, but could have been better ; on the other hand, Slovenia is not a big market, so no big deal ?).
I will concede that without LH it would probably not have been possible to renew the A330 cabins, but what !s the point of having beautiful cabins when the aircraft have technical problems too often which result in long delays or cancelations ? Of course, pax want to travel in the best comfortable way possible, but they also want to fly with a reliable airline.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 05 Oct 2019, 14:37

With the demise of Aigle Azur which had many flights to Algeria and the small over-capacity at SN due to TCs grounding, perhaps SN could consider flying in the week-ends to Algiers (and other Algerian cities). Just a thought...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by brabel » 05 Oct 2019, 18:16

Ansett wrote:
05 Oct 2019, 14:37
With the demise of Aigle Azur which had many flights to Algeria and the small over-capacity at SN due to TCs grounding, perhaps SN could consider flying in the week-ends to Algiers (and other Algerian cities). Just a thought...
Probably Tuifly belgium will take over those routes from different cities in France.
But I like that idea ;)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 05 Oct 2019, 18:48

Ansett wrote:
05 Oct 2019, 14:37
With the demise of Aigle Azur which had many flights to Algeria and the small over-capacity at SN due to TCs grounding, perhaps SN could consider flying in the week-ends to Algiers (and other Algerian cities). Just a thought...
Regarding Aigle Azur ceasing operations, brussels airlines should certainly consider flying Bamako again. Indeed, Air France now has a monopoly on that route and the tickets are really overpriced !
So I hope that SN will be back very soon in Mali... really a nice opportunity for them... what do you think?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Ansett » 05 Oct 2019, 22:47

A very good suggedtion, too. But a flight serving Bamako only would probably not be profitable unless SN gets a A321LR with a proper long haul business class. Or extend the flight to.. ? Libreville (for instance ? )

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 06 Oct 2019, 00:59

Ansett wrote:
05 Oct 2019, 22:47
A very good suggedtion, too. But a flight serving Bamako only would probably not be profitable unless SN gets a A321LR with a proper long haul business class. Or extend the flight to.. ? Libreville (for instance ? )
Thank you for your kind comment regarding my suggestion concerning the opportunity for SN to serve Bamako again after the demise of Aigle Azur.
Indeed, Bamako and Libreville would perfectly fit within SN African network! These 2 french speaking subsaharian cities belong to the core market of brussels airlines...
Don’t let AF benefit from a monopoly in Bamako, it would be a mistake and a missed opportunity I think...

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 06 Oct 2019, 09:35

Couldn't Bamako be served, at least initially, as a once or twice per week triangular flight, combined with a more traditional destination like Dakar?

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 06 Oct 2019, 09:44

Bamako and Libreville are both monopoly flights for AF. Surely there can be money made for SN.

There are plenty of destinations, even outside Africa, where AF or KL have a monopoly. With BRU being right in the middle of CDG and AMS it might present opportunities for SN imho.

LH uses SN to fence off its backyard and not give up BRU to competitors, but they could/should use BRU to at least disrupt their main competitor in any way possible.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Passenger » 06 Oct 2019, 10:21

Air France’s “monoply” for Bamako is one 787 on a triangle flight: Paris-Bamako-Abidjan-Bamako-Paris (AF520/AF521).

What’s in there for Brussels Airlines, if they would fly to Bamako too and if Air France is unwilling to cancelling some of their flights: 75 pax per flight? 100 perhaps?

But please, keep up the good work, guys. And maybe some day you will invent the wheel indeed. But with your great Bamako discovery here, I don’t think you have. Apart from the fact that “Bamako” is discussed regularly within Brussels Airlines, ànd with relevant data like arr and dep statistics.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 06 Oct 2019, 11:05

Been working on a project for BKO recently.
Till August there were also 7 weekly flights to ORY in addition to the AF dailies to CDG. 4 Aigle Azur and 3 Corsair.
ET flies a weekly T7 cargo from BRU and CV has an irregular 74 from LUX.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 06 Oct 2019, 11:09

Passenger wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 10:21
Air France’s “monoply” for Bamako is one 787 on a triangle flight: Paris-Bamako-Abidjan-Bamako-Paris (AF520/AF521).

What’s in there for Brussels Airlines, if they would fly to Bamako too and if Air France is unwilling to cancelling some of their flights: 75 pax per flight? 100 perhaps?

But please, keep up the good work, guys. And maybe some day you will invent the wheel indeed. But with your great Bamako discovery here, I don’t think you have. Apart from the fact that “Bamako” is discussed regularly within Brussels Airlines, ànd with relevant data like arr and dep statistics.
For the umpteenth time, passenger, this is a forum for aviation enthousiasts, not only professionals. People on this forum have the right to think about aviation, write down their idea's and read opinions of other aviation enthousiasts. If you are looking for a professional platform, I am sure you can find it somewhere else. No need for (your typical) arrogance.

Back on topic... "if Air France is willing to cancelling some of their flights?" Is that even relevant? Did KL ask SN to cut back frequency to KGL when they started the flight?

And AF flies it daily on a mix of planes, depending on period: B789, A359, B772, A332... And they are the sole airline between BKO and Europe, thus having a factual monopoly on said route.

And indeed, SN has the figures and facts about the viability of this flight, but again this forum is for enthousiasts, not professionals.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by brusselsairlinesfan » 06 Oct 2019, 17:26

Conti764 wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 11:09
Passenger wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 10:21
Air France’s “monoply” for Bamako is one 787 on a triangle flight: Paris-Bamako-Abidjan-Bamako-Paris (AF520/AF521).

What’s in there for Brussels Airlines, if they would fly to Bamako too and if Air France is unwilling to cancelling some of their flights: 75 pax per flight? 100 perhaps?

But please, keep up the good work, guys. And maybe someday you will invent the wheel indeed. But with your great Bamako discovery here, I don’t think you have. Apart from the fact that “Bamako” is discussed regularly within Brussels Airlines, ànd with relevant data like arr and dep statistics.
For the umpteenth time, passenger, this is a forum for aviation enthusiasts, not professionals. People on this forum have the right to think about aviation, write down their idea's and read opinions of other aviation enthusiasts. If you are looking for a professional platform, I am sure you can find it somewhere else. No need for (your typical) arrogance.

Back on topic... "if Air France is willing to cancelling some of their flights?" Is that even relevant? Did KL ask SN to cut back frequency to KGL when they started the flight?

And AF flies it daily on a mix of planes, depending on period: B789, A359, B772, A332... And they are the sole airline between BKO and Europe, thus having a factual monopoly on said route.

And indeed, SN has the figures and facts about the viability of this flight, but again this forum is for enthusiasts, not professionals.
Thank you... indeed I am very far for being a professional but I am « only » an aviation enthusiast... and a die-hard brussels airlines fan ;-)

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by rwandan-flyer » 06 Oct 2019, 17:31

Been working on a project for BKO recently.
Till August there were also 7 weekly flights to ORY in addition to the AF dailies to CDG. 4 Aigle Azur and 3 Corsair.
ET flies a weekly T7 cargo from BRU and CV has an irregular 74 from LUX.
Turkish Airlines, Air Algérie, Kenya Airways, Tunisair and Royal Air Maroc also serve Bamako. Emirates was supposed to serve Bamako, from 28 october 2015. TAP Air Portugal served Bamako, early 2010s

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 06 Oct 2019, 17:45

this is a forum for aviation enthousiasts, not professionals
I would be most sorry to miss the professionals in this forum - it is them and only them that bring factual inside information.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by sn26567 » 06 Oct 2019, 17:50

jan_olieslagers wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 17:45
this is a forum for aviation enthusiasts, not professionals
I would be most sorry to miss the professionals in this forum - it is them and only them that bring factual inside information.
Indeed, everybody is welcome on this forum. Professional opinions are enlightening, like in the "skeyes" topic where ATCOs bring very informative stuff unavailable elsewhere.
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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 06 Oct 2019, 17:52

jan_olieslagers wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 17:45
this is a forum for aviation enthousiasts, not professionals
I would be most sorry to miss the professionals in this forum - it is them and only them that bring factual inside information.
Fair enough, but all I meant to say that it isn't and shouldn't be reduced to only professionals either.

Aviation enthousiasts have all the right to discuss, talk and even brainstorm about todays aviation and the future without being ridiculed by some (mostly one) members who are nothing but a member like everyone.

After edit: I added 'only' before professionals in my original post.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by jan_olieslagers » 06 Oct 2019, 18:06

the right to discuss, talk and even brainstorm
Bwah, how many times have we had this? If the forum management wishes to tolerate idle talk and personal opinions, so be it.

Myself participate in forums to read and share factual information. Of which there is a good deal available here, and thanks to those who contribute it. Indeed I have much more respect and gratitude for those who bring facts. As I said before: opinions are cheap and plenty - but yes, everybody is entitled to opinions, yes.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by flightlover » 06 Oct 2019, 19:58

Homo Aeroportus wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 11:05
Been working on a project for BKO recently.
Till August there were also 7 weekly flights to ORY in addition to the AF dailies to CDG. 4 Aigle Azur and 3 Corsair.
ET flies a weekly T7 cargo from BRU and CV has an irregular 74 from LUX.

H.A.
ET towards BKO? They have a positioning flight BKO-BRU as far as I know. Current destinations out of BRU are ICN, HKG, DWC and JNB.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Homo Aeroportus » 06 Oct 2019, 20:44

flightlover wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 19:58
Homo Aeroportus wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 11:05
Been working on a project for BKO recently.
Till August there were also 7 weekly flights to ORY in addition to the AF dailies to CDG. 4 Aigle Azur and 3 Corsair.
ET flies a weekly T7 cargo from BRU and CV has an irregular 74 from LUX.

H.A.
ET towards BKO? They have a positioning flight BKO-BRU as far as I know. Current destinations out of BRU are ICN, HKG, DWC and JNB.
You're right, my bad. They fly ADD-LOS-BKO-BRU. Then usually DXB it seems.
I was focusing on PAX flights in my study, just noticed this cargo with a quick night turnaround.
Not sure what they bring back to Europe though. May be related to the MIL activity in Northern Mali.

H.A.

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Re: Brussels Airlines in 2019

Post by Conti764 » 07 Oct 2019, 00:18

jan_olieslagers wrote:
06 Oct 2019, 18:06
the right to discuss, talk and even brainstorm
Bwah, how many times have we had this? If the forum management wishes to tolerate idle talk and personal opinions, so be it.

Myself participate in forums to read and share factual information. Of which there is a good deal available here, and thanks to those who contribute it. Indeed I have much more respect and gratitude for those who bring facts. As I said before: opinions are cheap and plenty - but yes, everybody is entitled to opinions, yes.
You should respect everybody and appreciate the input of professionals and insiders more.

I appreciate the input of people like Atlantis, RoMax, 737MAX, Tolipanebas in the past and many others who imho have an added value to this forum but I respect the arguments, thoughts, ideas or suggestions of nearly everybody on this board as well.

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